Electronic charts for iPad

@ATN_Pilot -

I've been using Foreflight as a regular GA pilot for quite a while. The Pro subscription is worth the extra money - you get several extra features with it. It's got a few extra features which are pretty nice, like the fact that it will file flight plans for you - if your iPad has LTE, it's very close to magic.

Having flown with a full-size iPad and a Mini, I will take the mini any day of the week and twice on Sunday - it's ideally-sized for GA cockpits, in my opinion. I've got a RAM mount yoke clamp that puts it right where I want it and it doesn't interfere with the gauges.

My CFII and I also use Foreflight for de-brief. He makes notes on my performance, and then, post-flight, we discuss stuff and he "draws" on the chart (there's a nice annotations function) to show what I did and what worked and what didn't. The visuals really help. It's a really great tool.

Also - I will likely pony up for a Stratus at some point. While my no-gyro skills are....adequate....at the moment...having the stratus lets you have a backup AHRS through foreflight. It's not an ideal setup, but in the soup, I'll take whatever I can get.
 
Roger Roger said:
I'm pretty sure that @Capt. Chaos uses non part 97 approaches in foreflight. If you can get a PDF of it, you can drop it right into foreflight.
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z987k said:
Ya, but you need the back of the 10-9 page for 135 IFR ops. The NOS charts don't even have the information anywhere. Not in the front or anything.

There is no way I can safely and legally do my job with Foreflight alone. Which is why our company ipads have Foreflight and JeppView.
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The non part 97 stuff can be imported into Foreflight. We get our special plates from Jeppesen still, but we have them send pdf's and use the Bring Your Own Plate feature of Foreflight to seamlessly integrate them into the data base. The only minor difference is that the charts are not geo-refrenced. (Of course under 135 we don't use ship position on the iPad.). The FSDO seemed pretty impressed with how it all worked and we are waiting to get our final Ops Spec after our six month trial period.
 
killbilly said:
@ATN_Pilot -

I've been using Foreflight as a regular GA pilot for quite a while. The Pro subscription is worth the extra money - you get several extra features with it. It's got a few extra features which are pretty nice, like the fact that it will file flight plans for you - if your iPad has LTE, it's very close to magic.
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We started to use it at our college and I've loved it for the past 2 years. Just wish I didn't have to look down on my lap all the time but it's an awesome tool. I got the LTE also and you're right it's practically magic. Love using it on cross countries.

Just wondering...have you looked at getting the synthetic vision for foreflight? Was wondering if it was worth the extra money...
 
tcco94 said:
We started to use it at our college and I've loved it for the past 2 years. Just wish I didn't have to look down on my lap all the time but it's an awesome tool. I got the LTE also and you're right it's practically magic. Love using it on cross countries.

Just wondering...have you looked at getting the synthetic vision for foreflight? Was wondering if it was worth the extra money...
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I have considered it, but I probably will not invest in it anytime soon. As to whether or not it is worth it, I suspect it's one of those things that probably is not worth it until the day you absolutely need it. And then it's a bargain at twice the price.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
The non part 97 stuff can be imported into Foreflight. We get our special plates from Jeppesen still, but we have them send pdf's and use the Bring Your Own Plate feature of Foreflight to seamlessly integrate them into the data base. The only minor difference is that the charts are not geo-refrenced. (Of course under 135 we don't use ship position on the iPad.). The FSDO seemed pretty impressed with how it all worked and we are waiting to get our final Ops Spec after our six month trial period.
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But how do you guys do reduced vis takeoff/C079?
 
mshunter said:
Am I reading this right? Are you saying that using NOS plates would be a violation because they are missing information because there isn't reduced vis takeoff info?
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I'm not saying you'd be violated. I'm saying the NOS charts do not have the information pertinent to C079. So I'm asking how 135/121 operators know they are legally doing a lower than standard vis takeoff without jepps. That information is nowhere on the NOS plates. Not in the front or anything.
 
Good choice on Foreflight. I have Jepp (paid for by my employer), and Foreflight (which I bought for myself), on my ipad. Foreflight is far better than Jepp, and the NOS charts are easy to get used to, they've improved.

Jepp app is slow and sometimes crashes, have had no issues with Foreflight.
 
z987k said:
But how do you guys do reduced vis takeoff/C079?
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There are no airports down here that reduced takeoff mins work for. KTN does not have standard departure mins so even though there is a ILS everyone is stuck at a mile and 300ovc for departure except the Eskimo with their own DP's. We have been working on this issue with your jet guys down here.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
There are no airports down here that reduced takeoff mins work for. KTN does not have standard departure mins so even though there is a ILS everyone is stuck at a mile and 300ovc for departure except the Eskimo with their own DP's. We have been working on this issue with your jet guys down here.
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Ok, but you are quite the exception. Not all that many people operate in an area with no standard runways.
 
z987k said:
Ok, but you are quite the exception. Not all that many people operate in an area with no standard runways.
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But let's say we had standard DP mins at KTN, so we could get DP mins based on the ILS mins. The RVR is 2400, but we have the authorization for the 1800 RVR arrival mins, so that would be are new departure min. Now if the MALSER is out we look at the approache plate and see that the new approach min would be 6000RVR, and this becomes our new DP min. No special sheet needed.
 
z987k said:
I'm not saying you'd be violated. I'm saying the NOS charts do not have the information pertinent to C079. So I'm asking how 135/121 operators know they are legally doing a lower than standard vis takeoff without jepps. That information is nowhere on the NOS plates. Not in the front or anything.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What about the reduced vis takeoff requirements in the front of the NOS charts? Quick rundown of the C079?

Edit to add: Two of the the 135 outfits I've worked for used government plates. But that was a while ago, and I had to memory dump that stuff to make room for all the 121 stuff.
 
xargos said:
For general aviation there's AC 91-78 which allows the replacement, only suggesting having a backup.

" REMOVAL OF PAPER FROM THE COCKPIT FOR OPERATIONS UNDER PART 91. a. EFBs/ECDs can be used during all phases of flight operations in lieu of paper reference material when the information displayed meets the following criteria: (1) The components or systems onboard the aircraft which display precomposed or interactive information are the functional equivalent of the paper reference material. (2) The interactive or precomposed information being used for navigation or performance planning is current, up-to-date, and valid. NOTE: Supporting reference material such as legends, glossaries, abbreviations, and other information is available to the pilot but is not required in the cockpit during operation."
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91_78.pdf


However, there are additional requirements for large/turbine aircraft under part 91F ( AC 120-76B) one of which is mandatory backup:

" When the EFB replaces aeronautical information required by 14 CFR part 91, then a secondary or backup source of aeronautical information necessary for the flight must be available to the pilot in the aircraft. The secondary or backup information may be either traditional paper-based material or displayed electronically by other means."
http://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/ac 120-76b.pdf
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Interesting, I wonder if having plates, low en-routes, etc. in the avionics database and displayed on a unit like the GMX200 backed up with an iPad with Foreflight would satisfy the "other means" part of the requirement. Or do you need two devices and two subscriptions to be legal paperless. Probably depends on the inspector.
 
milleR said:
Interesting, I wonder if having plates, low en-routes, etc. in the avionics database and displayed on a unit like the GMX200 backed up with an iPad with Foreflight would satisfy the "other means" part of the requirement. Or do you need two devices and two subscriptions to be legal paperless. Probably depends on the inspector.
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A iPad and a panel mounted system are two different classes of EFB and fall under different rules for getting approval.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
But let's say we had standard DP mins at KTN, so we could get DP mins based on the ILS mins. The RVR is 2400, but we have the authorization for the 1800 RVR arrival mins, so that would be are new departure min. Now if the MALSER is out we look at the approache plate and see that the new approach min would be 6000RVR, and this becomes our new DP min. No special sheet needed.
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You're also single pilot. Most 2 pilot Cat I operations are authorized to 600RVR (landing/mid/rollout) takeoff.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
A iPad and a panel mounted system are two different classes of EFB and fall under different rules for getting approval.
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Even part 91? Sorry, I haven't flown turbine aircraft part 91 since EFB's came out so this is all pretty new to me.
 
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