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No it isn't. JeppFD and JeppFD Pro are the industry standard.
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No it isn't. JeppFD and JeppFD Pro are the industry standard.
z987k
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Ya, but you need the back of the 10-9 page for 135 IFR ops. The NOS charts don't even have the information anywhere. Not in the front or anything.
There is no way I can safely and legally do my job with Foreflight alone. Which is why our company ipads have Foreflight and JeppView.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
My single biggest complaint about Jepps is that the approach plate does not have the runway length.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Like I said, I know a guy who is using it up here 135 IFR for an EFB. Don't know the ins and outs as I've never used foreflight for more than VFR stuff.
Roger Roger
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Maybe for the big leagues that have already sold their soul to Jepp (for the record, Jepp makes a nice plate, but they're awful proud of their product and the distribution method kind of sucks). For GA (which is what the OP is asking about) foreflight is the 800 lb gorilla.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I'd still rather just have a huge box of NOS charts show up every 90 or so days. No batteries, no updates, no fuss, no muss. Just have to find a place to put the damned things. One fewer idiotic detail to worry about.
Roger Roger
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Oh that aspect is great, I just wish they'd designed the plates some other way than loading the information in a shotgun and firing it at the page.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
If I were to try to use one today, it might be a bit of a poopshow, but I used the things for years flying crap equipment in ridiculous weather, and it never confused me enough to hit anything. I think you (and I, to be fair) might be getting a bit SOFT, Grandfather.
Roger Roger
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To be fair, my current shop uses a mix of naco and Jepp and I've somehow managed to survive.
The other awesome thing about naco here is: "hey boss, do we have new chart binders yet?"
"No, the FBO hasn't gotten the shipment in yet"
"Uh ok....I guess I'll just print off current charts that I might need from online..."
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
I actually prefer NOS charts. Easy to use, and has the info I need.
We use the NOS charts. Except for Dutch. I really prefer the NOS charts.
I noticed that the other day. I was shocked.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Then you must not have or use C079. Which I find unlikely. That information is not on a NOS plate.
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
What info is that? I just read our Opspecs, and I dont see anything we dont have in the NOS plates. Or maybe I am just blind.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Ok, so pull out your NOS plates. What is the lowest takeoff mins in ANC on 7R authorized by your opspecs? What if the HIRL is out? What if the center line lights are out? Is the runway standard to begin with?
This is daily operational knowledge that I can't do my job without. I don't see how you guys do.
USMCmech
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The 121 operators who MUST use Jepp apps per the FAA will use them, but almost everyone else is moving to Froeflight. I can't think of a 91 pilot who isn't using Foreflight.
I'm not. Can't stand NOS.
xargos
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For general aviation there's AC 91-78 which allows the replacement, only suggesting having a backup.
" REMOVAL OF PAPER FROM THE COCKPIT FOR OPERATIONS UNDER PART 91. a. EFBs/ECDs can be used during all phases of flight operations in lieu of paper reference material when the information displayed meets the following criteria: (1) The components or systems onboard the aircraft which display precomposed or interactive information are the functional equivalent of the paper reference material. (2) The interactive or precomposed information being used for navigation or performance planning is current, up-to-date, and valid. NOTE: Supporting reference material such as legends, glossaries, abbreviations, and other information is available to the pilot but is not required in the cockpit during operation."
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91_78.pdf
However, there are additional requirements for large/turbine aircraft under part 91F ( AC 120-76B) one of which is mandatory backup:
" When the EFB replaces aeronautical information required by 14 CFR part 91, then a secondary or backup source of aeronautical information necessary for the flight must be available to the pilot in the aircraft. The secondary or backup information may be either traditional paper-based material or displayed electronically by other means."
http://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/ac 120-76b.pdf
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Am I reading this right? Are you saying that using NOS plates would be a violation because they are missing information because there isn't reduced vis takeoff info?