EgyptAir 804 Missing

Don't worry, Trump apparently knows the answer. He hasn't ever flown a plane, or owned one, but he sits in them from time to time. Clearly, he is an expert and knew the cause before they even found the wreckage. What can Trump not do? :p

It'll be YOOOJ. And great!
 
This is what happens when Les a 777 pilot writes about an A320:

" As a matter of fact, Airbus designs its airliners so pilots cannot exceed certain parameters in both "pitch" and "bank." As an example, the airplane won't go beyond a 35-degree bank turn. This makes these drastic turns all the more curious. "

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/opinions/egyptair-flight-abend/index.html

I have to say though, I agree with him that it's a little early to jump on the terrorist wagon. It may very well have been a bomb. But given AF447, Air Asia 8501, it's too soon to know why this plunged into the water.
An airplane that has been blown out of the sky will have a tendency to make drastic turns, so I disagree with Les. I don't find that info to be that curious at all.
 
An airplane that has been blown out of the sky will have a tendency to make drastic turns, so I disagree with Les. I don't find that info to be that curious at all.

That's based on radar return data, and it could be inaccurate if there was an inflight breakup that is recorded by radar sweeps.
 
I have to impose a media blackout. If the TV lingers even a moment on one of these channels on its way to Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, The Flash or Arrow, my head will collapse into a singularity.

If you're looking for two dimensional video, may I suggest this:



Richman
 
hulls...

Further, it is pure ignorance to attribute the losses of an aircraft to terrorism, or alleged terrorism, in a comparison of which airframe is more safe. Additionally, it is pure immature childish ignorance to question the professionalism of crew members who have since passed due to the simple nature of what aircraft manufacturer they were operating. Re: Airbus crashes...musta just been poor manufacturing. Re v2.0: Boeing crashes...musta just been poor manufacturing. If, as a professional pilot, you think that an aircraft crashes at a higher rate than another due to its manufacturer I would hate to have a discussion about hazard identification, poor ADM, ineffective CRM, or inadequate piloting skills during high workload environments with you.

I figured grown adults were above such silliness but alas the Internet shows me otherwise. Thank goodness the real world safety and security realm isn't cluttered with such ridiculousness.


Originally being sarcastic. Started shooting for a 3 pointer, missed with an air ball. No need for insults.

Overall I agree with your statements, with one exception. I believe some manufacturers are stronger than others. To believe manufacturers create great aircrafts error free is ridiculous. Professionalism has nothing to do with it. Some manufactures have better safety records than others due to aircraft designs, manufacture inefficiencies, production pressures, budget constraints, inadequate subcontractor performances,quality, strength, integrity up to design specifications, lack of quality assurance, manufacturer design errors (original 787 batteries, Rolls Royce Engine issues on A380), design integrity, to name a few.

As some say, "if it ain't Boeing I ain't going." Yes annoying statements like that makes me cringe. But, I can't make that statement invalid neither can you.


Airbus 300, American Airlines Flt 587.... Ahhh, yes, yes, yes, the FO broke the rudder, he snapped it off by pressing it too hard to fast, he killed everyone, It's his fault, and the lack of adequate wake turbulence separationon NOVEMBER 12th, 2001 after departing JFK, falling out of the sky in the Rockaways. Remember seeing one of the engines, which detached, somewhere near a gas station!

"first officer's overuse of rudder controls in response to wake turbulence, or jet wash, from a Japan AirlinesBoeing 747-400 that took off minutes before it. According to the NTSB, this aggressive use of the rudder controls by the co-pilot caused the vertical stabilizer to snap off the plane. The plane's two engines also separated from the aircraft before it hit the ground.[2]"

Yes, hail the manufactures.

Ooops, don't want to sound "Ignorant," my "immature" ass needs to remember the :sarcasm: button next time.
 
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Originally being sarcastic. Started shooting for a 3 pointer, missed with an air ball. No need for insults.

Overall I agree with your statements, with one exception. I believe some manufacturers are stronger than others. To believe manufacturers create great aircrafts error free is ridiculous. Professionalism has nothing to do with it. Some manufactures have better safety records than others due to aircraft designs, manufacture inefficiencies, production pressures, budget constraints, inadequate subcontractor performances,quality, strength, integrity up to design specifications, lack of quality assurance, manufacturer design errors (original 787 batteries, Rolls Royce Engine issues on A380), design integrity, to name a few.

As some say, "if it ain't Boeing I ain't going." Yes annoying statements like that makes me cringe. But, I can't make that statement invalid neither can you.


Airbus 300, American Airlines Flt 587.... Ahhh, yes, yes, yes, the FO broke the rudder, he snapped it off by pressing it too hard to fast, he killed everyone, It's his fault, and the lack of adequate wake turbulence separationon NOVEMBER 12th, 2001 after departing JFK, falling out of the sky in the Rockaways. Remember seeing one of the engines, which detached, somewhere near a gas station!

"first officer's overuse of rudder controls in response to wake turbulence, or jet wash, from a Japan AirlinesBoeing 747-400 that took off minutes before it. According to the NTSB, this aggressive use of the rudder controls by the co-pilot caused the vertical stabilizer to snap off the plane. The plane's two engines also separated from the aircraft before it hit the ground.[2]"

Yes, hail the manufactures.

Ooops, don't want to sound "Ignorant," my "immature" ass needs to remember the :sarcasm: button next time.

Insults? Trust me, I wasn't insulting YOU. Everything that followed after hulls...is more a certain level of disgust that always seems to come from those who want to rush to a decision of self-righteousness with regard to accidents/incidents and their causes.

We have aviation safety and investigation bodies for a reason. To learn. Innocent lives were lost and will continue to be lost and I hope that we can be half decent humans for just long enough for us to respect the lives they lived before passing.

We can approach accidents as professionals and learn or we can engage in childish discussions over which airframe manufacturer is more safe. In the end, that debate is irrelevant when you consider the true causes of accidents.

You guys have fun but these matters are quite serious and deserve a serious discussion - if so possible.
 
Insults? Trust me, I wasn't insulting YOU. Everything that followed after hulls...is more a certain level of disgust that always seems to come from those who want to rush to a decision of self-righteousness with regard to accidents/incidents and their causes.

We have aviation safety and investigation bodies for a reason. To learn. Innocent lives were lost and will continue to be lost and I hope that we can be half decent humans for just long enough for us to respect the lives they lived before passing.

We can approach accidents as professionals and learn or we can engage in childish discussions over which airframe manufacturer is more safe. In the end, that debate is irrelevant when you consider the true causes of accidents.

You guys have fun but these matters are quite serious and deserve a serious discussion - if so possible.

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Not sure how accurate this source is but seen multiple sources spreading this information...

Here are the last ACARS messages before the crash...


00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received
 
Not sure how accurate this source is but seen multiple sources spreading this information...

Here are the last ACARS messages before the crash...


00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received
Interesting..

Does the front lav share the same bulkhead as a flight deck circuit breaker panel on the A320?
 
hulls...

I figured grown adults were above such silliness but alas the Internet shows me otherwise. Thank goodness the real world safety and security realm isn't cluttered with such ridiculousness.
My Dear Oscar-
There is only one thing worse than having the world cluttered with ridiculousness. And that is NOT having the world cluttered with ridiculousness.
 
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