EgyptAir 804 Missing

Two issues, sometimes, but not inexorably linked. Not every 64 yo, bald, fat guy is in a commited relationship with someone else. Circumstances change as the years pass and not every "forever" relationship survives divorce court. Can it not just be about an innate human drive like sex/intimacy, as much as cheating? Certainly doesn't mean you should embrace it as a lifestyle personally, but why is it "gross" and "creepy?" Young men and women do it, and those who are middle-aged, and even us old farts long to, occasionally (tho' possibly with the lights safely off).

I don't understand caring about what other consenting adults do with their own time and resources, be they 23 and Czech, or old, balding and overweight:bounce:
 
Bob Ridpath said:
Two issues, sometimes, but not inexorably linked. Not every 64 yo, bald, fat guy is in a commited relationship with someone else. Circumstances change as the years pass and not every "forever" relationship survives divorce court. Can it not just be about an innate human drive like sex/intimacy, as much as cheating? Certainly doesn't mean you should embrace it as a lifestyle personally, but why is it "gross" and "creepy?" Young men and women do it, and those who are middle-aged, and even us old farts long to, occasionally (tho' possibly with the lights safely off).

I don't understand caring about what other consenting adults do with their own time and resources, be they 23 and Czech, or old, balding and overweight:bounce:
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LOL. If people really do care about each other, they won't care what each other looks like, lights on or off. :)

We can all play with people our own ages or a bit closer in range and who would judge...if someone is 64, and with an 18-21 year old girl, I think most of us can agree that there are some issues there with maturity, and especially in the circumstances where there is a visa involved, or some other monetary reimbursement, someone is probably being taken advantage of. If they consent to that, I guess more power to them, but there aren't many of those that end well. I would debate that when an age difference like that exists, one of those adults isn't necessarily consenting. On the other hand, if there is just a fling, etc. than so be it, but again, you are going into sugar daddy territory Either way, I guarantee you that neither one of the parties involved is going to have pictures to show other people. I just feel for anyone that feels the need to buy someone so to speak to get companionship. It takes an interesting character to flaunt such an arrangement.

I would rather be an old spinster with a Boston Terrier (which is more distinguished than the traditional cat arrangement) and alone than ever settle for anyone, certainly not support someone financially so that they would be with me. Even for fun. I am just not cut out for that. I don't really think anyone is cut out for that.
 
I will simply note an interesting difference in perspective concerning something which "ends well" and that there MAY be a world of satisfying difference between "relationship" and "companionship." One neither has to "settle," be alone, or spend forever with someone supporting them. Why would you/anyone need to support someone financially so they would be with you? Life is often built on the short steps of a continuum that changes and grows; only rarely lived in absolutes which endure forever.

In any event, not trying to alter your perspective, was just curious.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I like the gung ho FFDO and Air Marshal crowd. If this indeed is a bomb, this would be the 3rd bomb placed on an airliner in the last 12 months. 2 fatal, 1 survived (MetroJet, Dalloo, and Egypt Air). There hasn't been a single passengers storming an aircraft since 9/11. And now we have 3 bombings and all of them had bombs loaded on the plane in an inside-job manner by outsourced ramper / caterer / cleaner type-people. The exception was Dalloo and luckily the aircraft stayed intact and the terrorist flew out of the airplane.

Safe to say that terrorists have learned now it is far easier and more effective to just load a coke-can sized bomb onto an airliner and watch it blow up as opposed to being on an airplane and attempting to storm/takeover. And of course the terrorist lives in the first case of loading a bomb because he never gets on the airplane for flight. It's not a suicide mission, so in essence it's actually more effective from a terrorist's standpoint. No amounts of guns in planes will stop a bomb from going off. And how long before one gets loaded onto a US-bound airliner at airports like Paris and Brussels?

I'm going to shake my head the next time I hear a FFDO talk about not being a sheep, but a wolf who protects the sheep.
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Today's Miller Analogy Test Practice Question...
Pilots with Guns : Airline Safety :: Dudes with Compensation Trucks : Manliness
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I didn't know you worked at Air Beachball.

64.9 year old guy talking about his "girlfriend" makes me want to start wiping the flight deck down.
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Derg said:
"Yeah, so 23 year old Czech girls are really into 64 year old, 5'10, 295 lbs bald guys? I'm sure it's not the money"

On a side note, you should have heard the gnashing of teeth when my airline dropped Kiev.
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Y'all realize that some folks on this website have mail order brides?
 
Avgirl said:
Why?
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Because, when a person grows up in abject poverty, they are willing to do whatever it takes to extricate themselves from it. Not having experienced their lives, I'm sure you cannot think anyone is cut out for it. However, the reality is, in those places a westerner is regarded as a ticket out of hell and they are very aggressive in approaching you. Do some take advantage of it? Sure, but then again, the women, and some men, are attempting to take advantage of you.
 
Cptnchia said:
Because, when a person grows up in abject poverty, they are willing to do whatever it takes to extricate themselves from it. Not having experienced their lives, I'm sure you cannot think anyone is cut out for it. However, the reality is, in those places a westerner is regarded as a ticket out of hell and they are very aggressive in approaching you. Do some take advantage of it? Sure, but then again, the women, and some men, are attempting to take advantage of you.
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So, by enabling such an arrangement is more of a rescue? That is truly a sad justification if that is what you believe. It is nothing more than a business relationship, but I am sorry, shacking up with the male profile above age, etc. which I can't remember at this moment with some barely legal girl isn't a rescue, it is a tragedy.
 
A150K said:
I just read this entire thread...
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Shooting off an app to the NTSB then?

I'm all for tangent discussions...but...an A320 operated by a Star Alliance carrier crashed and everyone died. The families of pax and crew are in mourning. Members of this forum could well have carried pax who perished on this flight at some point in their itinerary. And it is possible that either security has been successfully compromised at a major Western port or that another WestAir Sweeden type mechanical fluke could have downed an aircraft many on this board fly. I figured that would be reason enough to at least keep most of the discussion relevant to the incident. This is the first time I've ever learned more about a plane crash on airliners.net than jetcareers, and that is no bueno for any of the lurkers that come across this thread in Google as a first impression of JC.

Just looking out for the homies. Things to consider.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Shooting off an app to the NTSB then?

I'm all for tangent discussions...but...an A320 operated by a Star Alliance carrier crashed and everyone died. The families of pax and crew are in mourning. Members of this forum could well have carried pax who perished on this flight at some point in their itinerary. And it is possible that either security has been successfully compromised at a major Western port or that another WestAir Sweeden type mechanical fluke could have downed an aircraft many on this board fly. I figured that would be reason enough to at least keep most of the discussion relevant to the incident. This is the first time I've ever learned more about a plane crash on airliners.net than jetcareers, and that is no bueno for any of the lurkers that come across this thread in Google as a first impression of JC.

Just looking out for the homies. Things to consider.
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You are absolutely correct. My apologies for contributing to the drift of a more important reality.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Shooting off an app to the NTSB then?

I'm all for tangent discussions...but...an A320 operated by a Star Alliance carrier crashed and everyone died. The families of pax and crew are in mourning. Members of this forum could well have carried pax who perished on this flight at some point in their itinerary. And it is possible that either security has been successfully compromised at a major Western port or that another WestAir Sweeden type mechanical fluke could have downed an aircraft many on this board fly. I figured that would be reason enough to at least keep most of the discussion relevant to the incident. This is the first time I've ever learned more about a plane crash on airliners.net than jetcareers, and that is no bueno for any of the lurkers that come across this thread in Google as a first impression of JC.

Just looking out for the homies. Things to consider.
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I respect your opinion, but think you are going a little overboard with your thought process. The reason it started to get off on a tangent is because speculation does nothing. This crash isn't going to be solved overnight, and frankly I think the good thing about this is that it hasn't tried to put blame anywhere yet or entertained the CNN experts who make calls before black boxes are found. As someone who has lost loved ones in a tragic plane crash and dealt with months and months, actually, nearly a year of BS from people who added commentary before evidence was put together, would rather not see that here. I am sorry that others are going through such a time of uncertainty, but you know when a good time to discuss things would be? When they find everything they need to investigate properly. When you have names of victims and can honor their memory appropriately. That is more respectful. Especially because no matter the conclusion, loved ones aren't coming home, but having some answers, real answers and not a myriad of conspiracy theories makes a lot more sense to discuss.
 
Avgirl said:
I respect your opinion, but think you are going a little overboard with your thought process. The reason it started to get off on a tangent is because speculation does nothing. This crash isn't going to be solved overnight, and frankly I think the good thing about this is that it hasn't tried to put blame anywhere yet or entertained the CNN experts who make calls before black boxes are found. As someone who has lost loved ones in a tragic plane crash and dealt with months and months, actually, nearly a year of BS from people who added commentary before evidence was put together, would rather not see that here. I am sorry that others are going through such a time of uncertainty, but you know when a good time to discuss things would be? When they find everything they need to investigate properly. When you have names of victims and can honor their memory appropriately. That is more respectful. Especially because no matter the conclusion, loved ones aren't coming home, but having some answers, real answers and not a myriad of conspiracy theories makes a lot more sense to discuss.
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Mhmm.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/phenom-100-crash-in-md.211276/page-5

So, uh, if any conversation relevant to the crash is just baseless speculation, how did we manage to crank out several pages of solid information and great discussion on this one? Similarly, the vast majority of other incident threads I've ever seen on JC have more or less stayed on tangent. Learned a lot from those threads over the years, well before the official cause was determined. While jumping out and saying "IT WUZ TERRISTS" doesn't contribute, saying, "Hmm A320 drivers, is it possible that ____ COULD have happened?" usually opens great relevant technical discussion branching out on very informative tangents. In this one, the difference I notice is the guys who usually have the great insight and discussion on aviation accidents seem to be steering clear. I wonder why.
 
Avgirl said:
So, by enabling such an arrangement is more of a rescue? That is truly a sad justification if that is what you believe. It is nothing more than a business relationship, but I am sorry, shacking up with the male profile above age, etc. which I can't remember at this moment with some barely legal girl isn't a rescue, it is a tragedy.
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:(. I don't think you got what I was putting down. You need to park the moral outrage. I, in no way was condoning such behavior. I, in fact think it's deplorable. Like you said, it is a business arrangement between two consenting adults, who are both getting what they want in the end.

I was just pointing out the stark reality of the real world, that most citizens of this country have no clue about, and live in a belief that other places are just like here. My wife is just as guilty of it. Having grown up in Africa, the ME, and SE Asia, and flying imternational to those places, I've seen the conditions that these people are trying to flee.

The real crime and shame is that people live like that in the first place, and the apathy that their own government and the first world countries show towards them.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Mhmm.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/phenom-100-crash-in-md.211276/page-5

So, uh, if any conversation relevant to the crash is just baseless speculation, how did we manage to crank out several pages of solid information and great discussion on this one? Similarly, the vast majority of other incident threads I've ever seen on JC have more or less stayed on tangent. Learned a lot from those threads over the years, well before the official cause was determined. While jumping out and saying "IT WUZ TERRISTS" doesn't contribute, saying, "Hmm A320 drivers, is it possible that ____ COULD have happened?" usually opens great relevant technical discussion branching out on very informative tangents. In this one, the difference I notice is the guys who usually have the great insight and discussion on aviation accidents seem to be steering clear. I wonder why.
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There were several pages, yes and then the discussion couldn't go any further. But, without those black boxes, and zero witnesses, it is still speculation. I hope that the boxes are found to start a more productive conversation, because if I want to see endless speculation, I will go to CNN. Pretty sure that will be on the front page for a while, with pictures of wreckage to add more credibility. With any luck, we will be able to have better discussions soon with actual evidence.
 
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