Education Requirements

Seggy said:
Jet, those may be published, but foolish to not get one based on that. Pilots need to set themselves apart and be well rounded. A degree shows that one is well rounded among other things.
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And as a recruiter who do you hire, the guy who follows the norm and gets a degree or the guy who's trying to cut a corner?
 
Seggy said:
Jet, those may be published, but foolish to not get one based on that. Pilots need to set themselves apart and be well rounded. A degree shows that one is well rounded among other things.
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Who said I'm recommending people to not get a degree because it is only preferred and not required? I'm only stating facts here and my only argument is that you have trouble admitting when you're wrong. :) We all recommend getting a degree here and we all know that most of the time you will need a degree to get a legacy/major job but I am not going to make false statements and say that it is required and you can never do it without a degree even though that is not a goal anybody should attempt.
 
Some of the same airlines also have very low TT requirements and turbine time requirements.

However, what's required, preferred and competitive are not necessarily congruent.

You can either hope you can have a guy with pull get your resume floated to the top like Doug did - and does, you can hope competitive mins meet your resume, or you can wait for the impending shortage that I started hearing about when I started flying in 92. Or you can position yourself by improving your qualifications.

Then again, I don't work at a major like Seggy does.
 
"And as a recruiter who do you hire, the guy who follows the norm and gets a degree or the guy who's trying to cut a corner?"
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No one said anything about trying to cut corners... I was simply curious as while my current degree program is an associates it contains over 700 required hours between field internships and training. I do not expect anyone in a recruitment setting to turn to me and say Wow gee! I'm simply trying to make the connection here that I'm not getting some quick 2 year bs associates "cuz its good to go to college." My two passions in life are emergency services and aviation. If you look at my previous thread several months back you will see I decided ERAU was not the place for me, I wont bash it, but I decided as far as my learning needs, training environment and location I wanted to be in is back where I am now. Also, the more main point I wanted a degree separate then that of an aviation/ professional pilot degree.

Do not misconstrue my original topic with that of someone cutting corners.
 
Voltage, quite simply, you need the 4 year degree. If you can work that into something you enjoy and something that would be a useful fall back career, great.
 
Thanks Kingairer, I have no problem doing that. Was just curious if it was logical and "possible" to go right from an associates and of course (all ratings completed... down the line have regional time... etc.) end up at Major or if the 4 year is part of that long ticket to the seat.
 
Jet said:
I didn't want to get technical and was going to let this go since I always recommend getting a degree but since you went there, here we go. Notice I quoted your post 21 not post 2.

According to your list in post 2 these are companies that do require a degree which is why you didn't list JetBlue.

But since you want to talk about post #2 we can go there. I'm not even discussing who is or isn't getting hired with or without a degree, just simply the fact that you stated a 4 year degree is required when it isn't.



Southwest: Education: graduation from accredited, four-year college preferred. (not required)

Source: http://www.southwest.com/html/about-southwest/careers/positions/pilots.html



United: Bachelor’s degree from accredited school is preferred. (not required)

Source: http://www.airlineapps.com/Intro/United/



US Airways: Application window is currently closed but during last window. Bachelor’s degree is preferred. (not required) I have seen no evidence of a bachelors degree being required after the merger is complete.



Hawaiian: Two-year degree/college graduate. (4 year degree not required)

Source: https://rn11.ultipro.com/HAW1000/JobBoard/ListJobs.aspx (App window is currently closed)

Delta, FedEx and UPS do require 4 year degrees.
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Before we get too excited, there are three, mutually exclusive terms when it comes to minimums:

a. Required (must have)
b. Preferred (we'd like a candidate to have)
c. Competitive (this is who we're actually hiring, generally "required" meeting all of the "preferred" (in most cases) and a good batch of "X" which varies with the quality of the applicant pool)

Please don't be one of the grumpy guys left at the regionals because he failed to meet the competitive minimums, that's not a winning game plan.

The best jobs will always be hyper-competitive. The "second and third tier" choices, not so much.

But my short answer is do what you want as there are plenty of candidates that match the required, competitive and preferred requirements which you will be competing with for that shiny job. They appreciate it! :)
 
Polar742 said:
Some of the same airlines also have very low TT requirements and turbine time requirements.

However, what's required, preferred and competitive are not necessarily congruent.
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Dammit, you beat me to it! Curses!

Even the low minimums like 1000 Turbine and no ME requirement, for a period of time, at Delta was NOT meant to indicate that they're going to snap up a 1000 TT RJ pilot. That was meant to snap up a single-engine fighter pilot.
 
Derg said:
Before we get too excited, there are three, mutually exclusive terms when it comes to minimums:

a. Required (must have)
b. Preferred (we'd like a candidate to have)
c. Competitive (this is who we're actually hiring, generally "required" meeting all of the "preferred" (in most cases) and a good batch of "X" which varies with the quality of the applicant pool)

Please don't be one of the grumpy guys left at the regionals because he failed to meet the competitive minimums, that's not a winning game plan.

The best jobs will always be hyper-competitive. The "second and third tier" choices, not so much.

But my short answer is do what you want as there are plenty of candidates that match the required, competitive and preferred requirements which you will be competing with for that shiny job. They appreciate it! :)
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And even if you have all of the above, get called to say, oh, 2 of the 3 jobs to be had when you have your stuff out, it doesn't mean you're hired....

...ask me how I know...
 
Polar742 said:
And even if you have all of the above, get called to say, oh, 2 of the 3 jobs to be had when you have your stuff out, it doesn't mean you're hired....

...ask me how I know...
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Mista Kotter! Mista Kotter! OOOH! OOOOH!
 
Derg said:
Before we get too excited, there are three, mutually exclusive terms when it comes to minimums:

a. Required (must have)
b. Preferred (we'd like a candidate to have)
c. Competitive (this is who we're actually hiring, generally "required" meeting all of the "preferred" (in most cases) and a good batch of "X" which varies with the quality of the applicant pool)

Please don't be one of the grumpy guys left at the regionals because he failed to meet the competitive minimums, that's not a winning game plan.

The best jobs will always be hyper-competitive. The "second and third tier" choices, not so much.

But my short answer is do what you want as there are plenty of candidates that match the required, competitive and preferred requirements which you will be competing with for that shiny job. They appreciate it! :)
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You're preaching to the choir. I help out with the hiring at my company and am involved with this so I see it all the time and help make these decisions. My post was correcting a technicality. Required vs not required, not what most will actually get hired with. I even put a disclaimer in my post and said we are not discussion what it actually takes or who is getting hired with or without a degree, aka required vs preferred vs competitive. I personally didn't stop with a bachelors degree since I wanted to stand out from the norm. Like I said before, I think a bachelors is the new high school diploma (at least outside of aviation).
 
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