Drones and Common Sense Rant

Aug. 22nd Someone's Drone Breaches LAX Airspace


On Aug. 4, police said a personal drone was spotted by a Canadian jetliner hovering about 10 miles east of LAX at 4,000 feet – an altitude outside Federal Aviation Administration guidelines for hobbyists with drones and and also within the airport’s Class B air space.

Los Angeles police learned of the drone when the airline pilot asked air traffic controllers if it was a police drone. The LAPD’s two drones are locked away in a federal building and have not been used.

“Everyone is going to suffer because of a reckless pilot,” said LAPD Air Support Capt. Gary Walters. “You don’t expect to see one at 1,200 feet when you’re doing 130 mph going to an emergency call to the Coliseum.”

The department is talking with the FAA and local lawmakers about what can be done to bring existing laws up to date so they apply to drones, officials said.

Earlier this year:

A remote controlled drone almost collided with a commercial jet at 4,000 feet Sunday as it approached Los Angeles International Airport.

An investigation has been launched after the case, which occurred as a Southwest Airlines plane prepared to land at the airport. Audio recordings of the pilot and control tower documented the moment the pilot told air control about the near-miss.

"Hey, there was just one of those radio-controlled helicopter things that went right over the top of us at 4,000," the pilot said.

and August 21, 2015

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Los Angeles International Airport is the second busiest airport in the country. But it is second to none in close calls with drones.

In the past month, there were 11 near-hits between drones and airplanes in the Los Angeles area, according to Federal Aviation Administration data obtained by CBS2 news. That’s the most in the country. Many occurred just a couple miles from LAX.

One flight coming into LAX from London, United Airlines flight 935, reported a drone was just 400 feet from the plane as it was four miles away from the airport and making its descent. Other close calls included a Jet Blue airplane that reported a drone off of its left wing just a mile from LAX.

What’s more, an Air Force refueling tanker reported a drone passed it at 2,700 feet in the air, near March Air Reserve Base. Model aircraft and recreational drones are restricted to flying below 400 feet in the air, according to FAA rules.

Drones have also come under scrutiny lately as some have hampered firefighting efforts in the state. In response, the state earlier this week launched a tip line for concerned citizens to anonymously phone-in irresponsible drone use. The number is 1-844-DRONE11."

There was one pilot in another article that I read here who stated that the drone he saw was the size of a small trash can.

Happily though:

"Lawmakers in the California state Assembly approved a measure Monday that would restrict the use of drones over private property without the owner's permission.

The drone bill, by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson (D-Santa Barbara), would make flying a drone less-than 350 feet above private property without consent a trespass violation.

"If you drive on someone's property with a car, you're trespassing. If you're looking on someone's property to break in, you're trespassing," said Assemblyman Mike Gatto (D-Los Angeles), who presented the bill on the floor. "It makes no sense that a drone should be able to look in your window and the operator should not be guilty of the same trespass."

Gatto noted that under the bill, the drone operator, not the manufacturer, would be held liable for the trespassing violation.

The bill, SB 142, passed the Assembly on a 43-11 vote and heads to the Senate for final approval."
 
I'm a photographer and watch seminars on CreativeLive, lot's of great stuff. They had a 3 day seminar on drone photography so I watched the trailer and it seems like these guys who engineer their own platforms are the one's that we need to be worried about. These custom built things are just ridiculous. There was one $15,000 octo-rotor thing that was the size of my patio table and had something like 10 lbs of batteries on it. Plus a Canon 5d MkIII hanging off the bottom of it... probably another 4-5 pounds of solid metal.

They seemed to think that they are current day Chuck Yeagers pushing the boundaries of a new technology. Higher, faster, larger, etc. Part of the clip was a nerdgasm of how high they could get a "very heavy" octo-rotor, and we're talking thousands of feet :/
 
This happened just the other night....You have to wonder what kind of jackass is standing in the parking lot of a Rite Aid at almost midnight flying a drone. He sees an L.A.P.D. helicopter searching for someone in the area, so he decides that it's a good idea to send up his drone to investigate. Really? The chopper pilot said he suddenly saw two red lights in front of him closing in and had to take evasive maneuvers. Flying a chopper at very low altitudes at night in the city while pursuing someone is not dangerous enough, (they are often shot at as it is) now they have to watch out for morons with drones. Has everyone in this country simply lost the ability to think and have any common sense whatsoever? Or is it just the 'I'll will do whatever the hell I want' attitude that has become so pervasive now?

"Los Angeles police took a man's drone Thursday night after he flew it during a "perimeter operation" in Hollywood and almost collided with an LAPD helicopter, police said.

The man was operating the drone near the intersection of Sunset Boulevard and Gower Street while a Los Angeles police helicopter was flying in the area, LAPD Lt. Mike Ling said. The police chopper "had to take evasive action to avoid a collision," Ling said.

The LAPD then began tracking the drone until its operator (a man in his 40s) was found, outside a Rite-Aid store in the 6100 block of Sunset Boulevard, and taken into custody, Ling said.

LAPD Officer Nuria Vanegas said police confiscated the drone and some video equipment.

Police detained the man near a drugstore for "interfering with an aircraft," police said. "They place the aircrews in danger. They place the lives of the general public in danger," LAPD Capt. Alfonso Lopez said of drones flying in the same airspace as police helicopters.

"Police will present the case to the District Attorney’s office for possible prosecution of the man for interfering with police work, Vanegas said. Authorities also will consult with the Federal Aviation Administration to determine if the drone’s proximity to the helicopter breached FAA regulations, Vanegas further stated."

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Flying a chopper at very low altitudes at night in the city while pursuing someone is not dangerous enough, (they are often shot at as it is) now they have to watch out for morons with drones.."

Not just that. Aerial fireworks being shot, some of which go a good few hundred feet in the air, I've seen. Didn't know when parts of PHX and TUS all of a sudden became night one of Baghdad, when I'm working urban calls. :) But seriously though, when working a ground support search operation, nearly all the attention of the helo observer is on the ground situation, whether visually or in using a video camera/FLIR, as well as doing all the tactical coordination over the radio. The pilot is busy with maintaining the orbit the observer needs, coordinating with ATC and/or helo common for traffic avoidance, and avoiding hitting the ground, but more importantly not hitting things attached to the ground such as wires, structures, cell towers/poles, and other towers that aren't easily seen. The time available to look for and avoid some tiny drone is minimal at best, and if one of those goes through the rotor system.....especially the weaker tail rotor....it could be disasterous.
 
I'm a UAV operator and I've also been an active private pilot since 1983. In 32 years of flying I received my first call from an FAA investigator yesterday for operating a UAV.

UAV operators - when operating within 5 miles of an airport - must notify the owner in advance. My email resulted in a qualifying exchange that I was doing a 10-minute "show & tell" for a film class and would remain below 100'. The airport didn't issue a NOTAM or mention the flight over ATIS, yet they forwarded my email to ATC, which forwarded to FSDO, which earned me a ball-busting phone call from an investigator.

Meanwhile, the skies are full of drones at _,000 feet interfering with aerial firefighters, police helicopters, mediflights, structure fires, but I'm the bad guy.
 
I'm a UAV operator and I've also been an active private pilot since 1983. In 32 years of flying I received my first call from an FAA investigator yesterday for operating a UAV.

UAV operators - when operating within 5 miles of an airport - must notify the owner in advance. My email resulted in a qualifying exchange that I was doing a 10-minute "show & tell" for a film class and would remain below 100'. The airport didn't issue a NOTAM or mention the flight over ATIS, yet they forwarded my email to ATC, which forwarded to FSDO, which earned me a ball-busting phone call from an investigator.

Meanwhile, the skies are full of drones at _,000 feet interfering with aerial firefighters, police helicopters, mediflights, structure fires, but I'm the bad guy.

Seems like you did your due diligence. Plus, you kept it below 100AGL. The FAA can pound sand! Meanwhile, there are idiots doing really stupid things with "drones" that they are just turning the other way to.
 
The military is exceptionally inefficient; the epitome of fraud, waste, and abuse. When the day comes when we actually have to fight a peer enemy, we may not be as successful as we think we may be.

Always made me chuckle driving past the "report fraud, waste & abuse" signs on base. As I drove on to waste large amounts of time and money on ill thought out projects.

Efficiency isn't always the most important thing, though.
 
They aren't hard to build yourself. Of course, the type of person that would build their own isn't the person that would likely be an idiot, either.

Exactly. When any idiot with two hundred dollar bills to rub together can walk into the local Verizon store and buy a drone, that's a problem. Get rid of that, and I'm not too worried about the handful of nerds who might build their own.
 
I'm a UAV operator and I've also been an active private pilot since 1983. In 32 years of flying I received my first call from an FAA investigator yesterday for operating a UAV.

UAV operators - when operating within 5 miles of an airport - must notify the owner in advance. My email resulted in a qualifying exchange that I was doing a 10-minute "show & tell" for a film class and would remain below 100'. The airport didn't issue a NOTAM or mention the flight over ATIS, yet they forwarded my email to ATC, which forwarded to FSDO, which earned me a ball-busting phone call from an investigator.

Meanwhile, the skies are full of drones at _,000 feet interfering with aerial firefighters, police helicopters, mediflights, structure fires, but I'm the bad guy.

Wow, you follow the FAAs guidance for sUAS operations to a "T" and you get chewed out for it. That'll teach you to follow the rules.
 
How did he know it was a "drone". Just curious if he didn't see what it was.

Also do you have an estimate on damage yet?

Well there are really only about 4 things you can hit while flying... Other aircraft, birds, drones, or the ground. I'm sure the process of elimination wasn't too difficult...
 
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