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Wouldnt you think it'll be a cool idea to put a line/ramp thread...the amount of stories that can be shared could not be counted....plus we could advise the corperate boys on proper tipping procedures that were not covered in indoc or sim training..what do you think....


P.S have you ever flown CVG IAD..i hear the flight is like 20min block
 
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There are like three line guys that come to the forum!

I haven't flown IAD-CVG, at least I don't remember doing it.
 
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plus we could advise the corperate boys on proper tipping procedures that were not covered in indoc or sim training

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Yeah, whatever. What exactly are we tipping you for? If you do something out of the ordinary to help us, then ok. But marshalling and pumping the gas is your job. With what we pay for fuel maybe the FBO can kick you a few extra bucks.
 
^ I have to say I agree. Coming from a country where tipping is not the norm I find it almost embarrassing when I am tipped for doing my line service job..
 
1. Yes, Doug is a lineholder.
2. I believe IAD-CVG is a Delta Connection route rather than mainline Delta. (On the occasions I've flown it, I've always been on Comair.) And I'm quite certain it is more than 20 minutes block. That is probably a 200NM trip.
3. I agree that tipping for doing your job is not appropriate. In my corporate days, I always tipped for superior service. I also always tipped the driver if we were given a ride somewhere or if the line guy helped with a lot of heavy bags. But tip for pumping my fuel? At $3.00+ a gallon, forget about it.
4. I don't think there are enough line people here to make a separate "line man" forum worthwhile. With this, as with all things, I believe common courtesy and respect go a long way.

Just my $0.02 ...
 
I don't tip anybody for anything, if they get paid a regular salary or hourly wages. If they're working as a server or waiter/waintress, then yes. If they do something super for ma at an FBO, then yes.

Give me gas, while you're getting paid a regular hourly wage? Man you better get out of here before I pimp slap you!!!
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Just teasing about the pimp slap!!!! I'm no pimp!!
 
don't knock the line guys. I hope line guys at airlines don't expect tips.

I worked for an FBO in NY and tips varied. I usually got 5 bucks or so for driving pilots to the hotel or to get some food. other tips were for a lot of luggage and we usually shared it with all the line guys working at that point in time. Well the exception was if the guy got a tip for doing the lav then he kept the tip.

I've heard the corporate pilots tip according to what the passengers tip them.
 
Ever heard of tipping people for the extra effort that they put in?

The reason some line guy might get tipped is because they went the extra mile when he or she didnt need to. That, in my opinion, is the best kind of gratuity because even though they get paid a set amount per-hour they went the extra mile!!

example: A fueler complete's his dispatched load and is about to pull away in the tanker and you (pilot) yell out we need an extra 800 lbs., but need to leave promptly. The fueler gets out and hauls ass and gets done with the revised load in record time, when he just could have took his sweet time because he doesn't get paid by the "hook up" but by the hour, which usually is not too much.
 
I really don't want to change the meaning of this post but it seems like this has already been accomplished. Were I used to get a haircut, the person would charge $12 to cut my hair and then would expect a tip along with the $12. If the person is already getting paid for cutting my hair, why should I have to tip them for doing something they are already getting paid to do?
 
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I really don't want to change the meaning of this post but it seems like this has already been accomplished. Were I used to get a haircut, the person would charge $12 to cut my hair and then would expect a tip along with the $12. If the person is already getting paid for cutting my hair, why should I have to tip them for doing something they are already getting paid to do?

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Because they have a sharp object very near your jugular!
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....plus we could advise the corperate boys on proper tipping procedures that were not covered in indoc or sim training..what do you think....

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I know you didn't just say boys ... actually you did and with your attitude the only tip I would offer you is to change your attitiude it stinks. I've noticed in other threads that you whine about your lot as a ramp rat ( ha ), if you don't like it leave it, but at the least shut up, I don't want to hear about it.
OK now that I've vented why don't you give me a lesson on proper tipping procedure, it you can convince me I'll send you a tip.
The problem is not with the aircrews tipping you, its with your employer who is taking advantage of you and me. When I pull on a ramp and do a quick drop or pickup and get charged any where from 50 to 250 dollar ramp fees the line guys should get a percentage of that from your boss. I don't mind a minimual payment for the convience of haveing the FBO but lately they are all going the way of Signature Pirates Base Operators and gouging the business folks, and if they don't get the ramp fee they more than make up for it with high fuel prices. You want a tip for doing your job, that would be like me telling the CEO ... if I do a good landing can I have an extra 5 spot. NO its my job and my pride that makes me do what I do. So do your job and do it well, or not.
I would offer this up, if the FBO would have a jar or something on the customer service desk I would be more inclined to drop a tip in there knowing that everyone gets a fair share of it.

Jim
 
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The fueler gets out and hauls ass and gets done with the revised load in record time, when he just could have took his sweet time because he doesn't get paid by the "hook up" but by the hour, which usually is not too much.

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Kudos to him!! He should appeal to his boss for a raise. I have no problem with call-out fees. If the FBO is closed and a fueler came in to take care of me, I won't even tip him. Is it not enough that I'm paying the FBO $40-60 for the call-out??

I used to do business with an FBO that let the fueler that came in at two in the morning keep the call-out fee. There you go, there's your tip.

I don't tip my car mechanic, either. That's why I pay him!! Not everybody rates a tip...
 
As a ramp rat in ATL I could fill plenty of pages of stories of problems with planes, weather, FA's and Pilots. I dont think we need our own thread. I mean we are here as either pilots of some sort or soon to be pilots who need or want advice or have questions. I know Doug is always looking for ways to improve this already awesome sight but I feel a thread for that might turn into a grip and complain section and thats not what this site is about. Just my 2 cents worth
 
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I really don't want to change the meaning of this post but it seems like this has already been accomplished. Were I used to get a haircut, the person would charge $12 to cut my hair and then would expect a tip along with the $12. If the person is already getting paid for cutting my hair, why should I have to tip them for doing something they are already getting paid to do?

[/ QUOTE ] Well, maybe when you realize that the owner of the store is taking most of that $12-and that the person who cut it is getting usually minimun wage, then you might change your mind?? It could be said that places like salons and restaurants should just charge more for the service and pay the employees more and then no one gets tips--but if some one did a crappy job cutting my hair, which has happened many times, or of some one did a crappy job serving my food, which has also happened, then I like the fact that I am controlling how much income they are going to get for that hour. I think if it weren't for tips a lot more of the service type employees would give half as much effort because there would be no motivatin to do a great job.
 
My thoughts as a ramp rat at an FBO.

The big tippers should be the passengers not the pilots. When I unload 8 golf bags, 8 HUGE hard-sided suitcases that weight 30+ lbs, and other small bags and load them into 2 full size cars and I begin to worry about having a hernia. They don't tip. They just arrived in a CL60, GV, or F900 but just go on. What happens next time they come though is I might get to them a little bit slower or just take my time.

When I get a tip from a pilot they usually find themselves fueled a little quicker, there pax handled a little quicker, fees for GPUs or other various services sometimes get dropped.

With me how does a pilot get away with not tipping but with a faster fueling or with more helping to them? A GOOD ATTITUDE. Just because I pump fuel doesn't mean I am not a human being!!!!

With me...have a good attitude, talk to me, shoot the s#*t with me, thank me and I will thank you.

One final note. We have a jet that comes in about once a month. The pilots never tip but are always as nice and cool as they can be with us. In my opinion they get VERY good service, all because of a good attitude and because they buy a ton of FUEL!
 
Actually, you'd be surprised at how little the quality of service affects tips. They did a study and it showed that the weather outside, or the music, or whether someone writes thank you or a smiley face on the check (depending on whether it's a boy or girl) affects the amount of the tip far more than the quality of service.

And don't even get me started with foreigners. Bust your butt for them, give them good service, and get nothing as a tip because they don't do it in their home countries. Hey, guys, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, and tip!
 
I was under the impression that tipping was voluntary, as opposed to mandatory.....with the exception of, for example, restaraunts that pre-inform you that they add gratuity for large parties, etc.
 
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