Done wrong by Sheble Aviation

Crop Duster said:
Wow! @mshunter , sounds like they might have filmed "Flight" at the facility you were at.
My experience with them was at the Chicago facility. Sorry to hear others had less than stellar experiences.
I guess the old maxim has never been more true. "Your mileage may vary." Or, perhaps the other old maxim, "Cocaine is a helluva drug."
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Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are good AF locations. But it's a crap shoot just like anything else. I've also seen very poorly run " Mom and Pop" places, and worked at one of the best of those in California when in was an active CFI.
 
Ron Adams said:
Back to what is legal. Is it legal for an instructor to fly when he knows (management too) he has sleep apnea ? No. Is it legal to falsify log books? No. Old man Sheble's is out of the picture, drunk, the wife has a restraining order against Joe Jr and the Fed's have revolved his DPE. I would not hire Sheble's to pick up dog , much less run a professional flight school. The jigg is over for Sheble's .
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You do understand that you hold all liability for this post and there's not some legal team that's going to run to your defense from Jetcareers.com.

I, personally, wouldn't dabble in language like this unless it's 100% factual and supported by evidence, otherwise, you're about to unleash legal hell on yourself.

Internet anonymity is the "unicorn" of the horse world.
 
Derg said:
You do understand that you hold all liability for this post and there's not some legal team that's going to run to your defense from Jetcareers.com.

I, personally, wouldn't dabble in language like this unless it's 100% factual and supported by evidence, otherwise, you're about to unleash legal hell on yourself.

Internet anonymity is the "unicorn" of the horse world.
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Derg said:
You do understand that you hold all liability for this post and there's not some legal team that's going to run to your defense from Jetcareers.com.

I, personally, wouldn't dabble in language like this unless it's 100% factual and supported by evidence, otherwise, you're about to unleash legal hell on yourself.

Internet anonymity is the "unicorn" of the horse world.
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Mr. Ron Adams might have chosen his screen name as I have chosen mine. Maybe, for a different reason. When I show up to network JC 2014, my name tag will look strikingly similar to my online name. This is done with purpose. Every time I'm about to post something stupid, I remember, anybody that wants to see what I think, can..
I think, judging by his history with JC, Mr. Ron Adams is using us as platform for his anger and his cause. Based on the negativity involved and the fact that nothing good can come from his future postings, I would like to make a motion to remove somebody that will not do anything good for our communtiy. (@Derg and my "inside guy" @Bumblebee )
btw, This is not in defense of Sheble, because I AM allergic to cats, and frankly, I just don't trust them...
 
well if you have a problem with cats, then you will receive the fury of the BANHAMMER!

No issues with Mr. Adams, we're all free to state our beefs, but he should realize that he's said his piece and that further outbursts will just look badly for him. It's time to move on and join the community, not just come here to bash a company. Come on Ron, drop your swords and build some bridges.

AS for you BUCKMASTER, you know I drove from Northern California to Abilene TX to get my buddy Tanker...oh yes enroute home with him (he was a kitten still) we socialized him with three of Derg's cats! So be careful about your attitude towards our lovely fur babies.
 
I know this is an old thread, but it looks like Sheble lives, now in North Las Vegas. I gotta say, I did my commercial here years ago after cancelling 2 checkrides at my local flight school due to weather and then someone gearing up the airplane. The instructor was good, took the checkride with Joe Senior, who was fair, in my opinion. Yeah the outfit looked pretty ratty and the planes weren't in the best of shape, but I was satisfied with the outcome. But I'm more of low and slow bug smasher guy than a shiny pointy jet guy. I feel like that comes into play as well.
 
geosync said:
I know this is an old thread, but it looks like Sheble lives, now in North Las Vegas. I gotta say, I did my commercial here years ago after cancelling 2 checkrides at my local flight school due to weather and then someone gearing up the airplane. The instructor was good, took the checkride with Joe Senior, who was fair, in my opinion. Yeah the outfit looked pretty ratty and the planes weren't in the best of shape, but I was satisfied with the outcome. But I'm more of low and slow bug smasher guy than a shiny pointy jet guy. I feel like that comes into play as well.
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I'm a shiny pointy jet guy but also like you went to Sheble to finish up an instrument course and a commercial/multi course. My original flight school was just taking too long and churning off flight instructors to the regionals like gangbusters (circa 2006-2007). Like you said, the planes weren't the best, the examiner was fair, and I was satisfied with the outcome.
 
Ajax said:
Good lord

I did american flyers, paid maybe $1000 and got my asel add on done over a weekend
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I should have done that. Instead I signed up at this Wright Flyers scool, which favored asian students and neglected everyone else. Eventually the school went under, a week before my commercial Checkride, in 141. I had to change schools - with all the hassle for being nonUS citizen - and had to do 61 checkride now, which took more time. In the end the dude, named Rand Goldstein screwed several of us, and Still owes me 3 grand. Wondering If I should sue
 
Ron Adams said:
Former Controller and Systems Instructor for AA here, reporting another flight training scam, yep Sheble.
They are now operating out of Needles,Ca trying to get out of reach of the FSDO but the Feds are closing in.
Went there in Jan 2014 to finish an advanced course, they took the $$$$ up front and provided the worst training I have ever had......instructor falling asleep while on training flight, other instructor being investigated by FAA for illegal check rides (maybe you read) no formal ground school, no documentation so training, lazy instructors who are instructed to fly MINIMUM flight times with you. You will be rushed to a check ride only to fail and then Sheble is off the hook. So they think. (Lawsuit pending)

When at AA we did accelerated training and it worked fine, but you have to have the resources and dedicated instructors to succeed. I believe Sheble (wife has restraining order against husband and old man Sheble is out of the operation (staying drunk) will be out of business by the end of the year. Avoid this scam.
WWW.shebleaviationfraud.com
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You weren't done wrong by Sheb; You did wrong by going there in the first place. :eek2::eek::cry:
 
Side 2 to the story.
I worked Shebles during the time that Ron was there. Ron was not one of my students, nor am I the sleep apnea instructor. Ron came for his instrument and got his fair share of ground school and flight time. He also had unlimited use to the simulator which he did not pay for. The day of his check ride he brought a bottle of tequlia with him to drink with the examiner upon passing his checkride. I'm not sure how he planned on flying the plane Back to needles after a tequila shot......
I am not protecting sheble. The operation was only as good,as the instructor. We were over worked, and there wasn't enough time in a day to handle the students. The longest stretch I worked was 31 days in a row.
I never signed off a student that wasn't fully prepared for their checkride.
As far as the "forging" that was a misunderstanding between the student and instructor.
 
Bushstuff said:
Side 2 to the story.
I worked Shebles during the time that Ron was there. Ron was not one of my students, nor am I the sleep apnea instructor. Ron came for his instrument and got his fair share of ground school and flight time. He also had unlimited use to the simulator which he did not pay for. The day of his check ride he brought a bottle of tequlia with him to drink with the examiner upon passing his checkride. I'm not sure how he planned on flying the plane Back to needles after a tequila shot......
I am not protecting sheble. The operation was only as good,as the instructor. We were over worked, and there wasn't enough time in a day to handle the students. The longest stretch I worked was 31 days in a row.
I never signed off a student that wasn't fully prepared for their checkride.
As far as the "forging" that was a misunderstanding between the student and instructor.
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Please explain the misunderstanding for the curious.
 
Good god...This sounds like a reality show documenting the end of a very bad marriage, not an aviation forum.
 
I was just trying to clear the original posters issue. At the end of the day he is upset that he failed his check ride. I do not feel that it is right to bash a flight school because you failed. When I was there we worked our butts off to make sure everyone passed. I am sorry that he failed but he did receive professional instruction.
 
Bushstuff said:
I was just trying to clear the original posters issue. At the end of the day he is upset that he failed his check ride. I do not feel that it is right to bash a flight school because you failed. When I was there we worked our butts off to make sure everyone passed. I am sorry that he failed but he did receive professional instruction.
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He did end up winning his case in court though.
 
And so have many others. I'm not saying that Shebles didn't run things well. I take it personally because I busted my ass for my students. And I take them as my students, not Shebles. After all I did the work, (senior) lost his dpe right when I got there, but out of all the students that I saw and go he was treated right. I'm not proud to say but it was out of my control more got screwed worse than he was. Countless students were promised check rides that didn't exist. We instructors wouldn't find out til the day of, and be responsible to tell,the student they came for no reason. Some even came from Europe. Again we did our best as instructors, and I am sorry for how the Shebles ran things. We were kept in the dark, and it took a while to realize what was going on. Shebles existed because they had in-house examiners. Once eddie, jojo, and jo sr lost their dpes, the flight school stood no chance, and should have changed the way they do business but refused. The school was stuck with using two dpes out of Vegas that ran a flight school. With only 75 check rides a quarter,and both running a flight a school they could not meet the needs for sheble. We as instructors did not realize this. Sorry I am ranting but I take this personally. People are quick to judge but don't know why, people want to judge instructors when they did there best under crappy circumstances.
 
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Sheble is garbage. It's well known, well established, and with good reason. That only reflects on you if you were part of the problem but it sounds like you weren't. Glad there are those that cared, but the culture there was terrible.
 
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