Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logbooks?
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Boris Badenov
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
They do. If you think coming up with all of that P51 time was difficult, try figuring out what to erase! D'oh! :laff:
They do. If you think coming up with all of that P51 time was difficult, try figuring out what to erase! D'oh! :laff:
ppragman
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
What I heard from an old timer is that "you can't really get away with more than 10% of what your total time is, which doesn't really help you any, so don't bother."
That's not to say it isn't done.
I'm not saying you rat people out and give out emails Doug.. it was a poor attempt at sarcasm lol.:crazy:
I figure if someone is dumb enough to post on a major website about how to cheat the system.. they are probably dumb enough to get caught.. but there are other ways they get caught as well, I've seen it at my company.. and it doesn't go well for the person. Then there are others that skate by with a logbook full of crapola.. Do ya feel lucky?
I've seen these posts pop up time to time over the years and they always get like 10,000 views from interested newbies looking to "build" time.. "hey guys, umm, do airlines really check everything in your log book cuz I umm, have a friends cousins brother who maybe, uhh, kinda put some things in there that might.. uhh be slightly umm "inaccurate" totally by mistake though .. "
Why don't you just come out and say it... "If I put a crapload of fake flight time in my log book will I get caught in an airline interview?"
We all know that is the real question they are wanting to ask lol.
Now maybe this was actually a legitimate question for whatever reason... but it certainly fits the "profile" of that type of question.
What I heard from an old timer is that "you can't really get away with more than 10% of what your total time is, which doesn't really help you any, so don't bother."
That's not to say it isn't done.
Patrick
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
I've heard discussions pertaining to and actually been asked essentially how to Parker P-51 a logbook. I've heard comments ranging from taxing the aircraft around to leaving the country for a year and miraculously coming back with an extra 1000 hours to sitting in the jumpseat on an airliner and logging that time. I have no doubt that there are others.
What is really comes down to, to me, is that it's going to be pretty obvious (unless you're the next Buzz Aldrin) that if you put down 1000 hours of total flight time on an application, yet you only have 300, and you then get selected for an interview, that between the interview and the sim session it's going to be glaringly obvious that you don't have the experience that comes with 1000 hours. For this reason, I would agree that one could conceivably get away with pencil whipping an extra 10% of flight time in there, but for the little difference that would make, why bother?
As to the idea of using flight aware to verify flight times, I think that would highly depend upon the type of flight time that one was looking to verify. Any VFR flight training will not show up on flight aware, so that doesn't work. If one is looking to verify flight time at a previous 121 or 135 opertation, it is far easier to simply ask the previous company than to run the various tail #'s of aircraft that the applicant claims to have flown. Now yes, if in the previous 3 weeks to an interview an applicant claims to have flown 50 hours of cross country time in a twin, and one twin at that, that could easily be checked.
I've heard discussions pertaining to and actually been asked essentially how to Parker P-51 a logbook. I've heard comments ranging from taxing the aircraft around to leaving the country for a year and miraculously coming back with an extra 1000 hours to sitting in the jumpseat on an airliner and logging that time. I have no doubt that there are others.
What is really comes down to, to me, is that it's going to be pretty obvious (unless you're the next Buzz Aldrin) that if you put down 1000 hours of total flight time on an application, yet you only have 300, and you then get selected for an interview, that between the interview and the sim session it's going to be glaringly obvious that you don't have the experience that comes with 1000 hours. For this reason, I would agree that one could conceivably get away with pencil whipping an extra 10% of flight time in there, but for the little difference that would make, why bother?
As to the idea of using flight aware to verify flight times, I think that would highly depend upon the type of flight time that one was looking to verify. Any VFR flight training will not show up on flight aware, so that doesn't work. If one is looking to verify flight time at a previous 121 or 135 opertation, it is far easier to simply ask the previous company than to run the various tail #'s of aircraft that the applicant claims to have flown. Now yes, if in the previous 3 weeks to an interview an applicant claims to have flown 50 hours of cross country time in a twin, and one twin at that, that could easily be checked.
texas_pilot
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
I asked this on another thread and never saw the answer
Does experimental time count to TT?
I don't mean powered chutes, but would RV4 time for instance count?:dunno:
I asked this on another thread and never saw the answer
Does experimental time count to TT?
I don't mean powered chutes, but would RV4 time for instance count?:dunno:
OldTownPilot
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
Yes.
The only thing that doesn't count is part 103 ultralights.
Single seat, 254 lbs empty, 5 gal, 26 mph stall etc.
Yes.
The only thing that doesn't count is part 103 ultralights.
Single seat, 254 lbs empty, 5 gal, 26 mph stall etc.
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
I will fly vfr training flights and they will show up as 7 minute flights. If you leave a class c or d airport for vfr instance, your flight will show when radar picks up your transponder. If you fly to another airport for traffic pattern work and cancel services, your flight on flightaware "ends". So a 7 minute flight on flightaware was actually 2 hours
I will fly vfr training flights and they will show up as 7 minute flights. If you leave a class c or d airport for vfr instance, your flight will show when radar picks up your transponder. If you fly to another airport for traffic pattern work and cancel services, your flight on flightaware "ends". So a 7 minute flight on flightaware was actually 2 hours
PA44-LUV
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
That's why I would backup hard-copy logbooks with electronic ones that automatically do the calculations and breakdowns. I spent 10 hours converting my logbook to an electronic copy and can't tell you the number of simple math errors I found when I did a line-by-line audit of my logbook.
That's why I would backup hard-copy logbooks with electronic ones that automatically do the calculations and breakdowns. I spent 10 hours converting my logbook to an electronic copy and can't tell you the number of simple math errors I found when I did a line-by-line audit of my logbook.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
If employers have such a concern that you may be padding your logbook that they would want to verify anything with anything in this environment they will just not hire you and move on to the other 50 applicants they have in the stack.
RV4 time definitely counts, its more of an airplane than many!
If employers have such a concern that you may be padding your logbook that they would want to verify anything with anything in this environment they will just not hire you and move on to the other 50 applicants they have in the stack.
RV4 time definitely counts, its more of an airplane than many!
planestupid
New Member
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
Here is something else to think about. With the advent of flightaware, it would not be hard for someone to pad their logbook with time in an aircraft that has actually flown.
Track an aircraft, log the time. Not too difficult.
But the question is this: Why in the world would anyone do this?
For the life of me there is absolutely no good reason or motivation to falsify your times. Not even a job nor interview.
Here is something else to think about. With the advent of flightaware, it would not be hard for someone to pad their logbook with time in an aircraft that has actually flown.
Track an aircraft, log the time. Not too difficult.
But the question is this: Why in the world would anyone do this?
For the life of me there is absolutely no good reason or motivation to falsify your times. Not even a job nor interview.
MOONWOLF
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
They would only be able to look up IFR flights though...right? So if you don't file IFR then nothing shows up on record.
My thinking it would be pointless for them, unless they wanted to know how many times you've flown ifr.
They would only be able to look up IFR flights though...right? So if you don't file IFR then nothing shows up on record.
My thinking it would be pointless for them, unless they wanted to know how many times you've flown ifr.
TheresaPilot
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
It's any flight that gets a squawk code.
It's any flight that gets a squawk code.
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
Not always.
Nice hair btw....
Not always.
Nice hair btw....
gatorbuc99
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
From what i understand it's any flight that gets a "real" code...one that doesn't start with a 0, like you'd get from an approach facility for a short flight, or a code you get from center, i think that's the deal-io
From what i understand it's any flight that gets a "real" code...one that doesn't start with a 0, like you'd get from an approach facility for a short flight, or a code you get from center, i think that's the deal-io
germb747
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
I recommend people just take care to ensure their flight times are 100% legit and as close to 100% accurate as possible. Then, there's no need to worry about what means, if any, a potential employer may use to validate the times in your logbook.
I recommend people just take care to ensure their flight times are 100% legit and as close to 100% accurate as possible. Then, there's no need to worry about what means, if any, a potential employer may use to validate the times in your logbook.
Alinator
New Member
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
I think it sucks if prospected employers actually verify log books. I now have to go back and remove my B-777 type and subsequent PIC time. And to think, I was this close to getting hired on at one of dem' top-notch Nigerian operations! Good thing I have a backup plan for employment over there... :yar:
I think it sucks if prospected employers actually verify log books. I now have to go back and remove my B-777 type and subsequent PIC time. And to think, I was this close to getting hired on at one of dem' top-notch Nigerian operations! Good thing I have a backup plan for employment over there... :yar:
aloft
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
Military and other public use flights are blocked, as are many civilian corporate operators who claim it's for "security" reasons (like not letting shareholders see how many trips to Aspen or Hawaii a company's jet makes).
Again, not always.
Military and other public use flights are blocked, as are many civilian corporate operators who claim it's for "security" reasons (like not letting shareholders see how many trips to Aspen or Hawaii a company's jet makes).
rd757
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Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult
RD
Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult
RD
Re: Do employers use flightaware to verify flights in logboo
If it saves corporate jet jobs who gives a ?
Why won't this ridiculous thread die?
Bingo. That is the main reason a lot of corporate jets are blocked, which makes a spotters job difficult
RD
If it saves corporate jet jobs who gives a ?
Why won't this ridiculous thread die?