Difference between Jumpseating and non reving!

Maximilian_Jenius

Maximilian_Jenius

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There seems to be a thin line between the two, for the uninitiated.

When jump seating you can both ride up front (if your airline is CASS) or you can jumpseat in an empty seat. (Right?)

Not sure if you can non-rev in the jumpseat (if traveling alone). So what're the major differences between the two?

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Maximillian_Jenius said:
There seems to be a thin line between the two, for the uninitiated.

When jump seating you can both ride up front (if your airline is CASS) or you can jumpseat in an empty seat. (Right?)

Not sure if you can non-rev in the jumpseat (if traveling alone). So what're the major differences between the two?

:confused:
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Jumpseating is for 121 pilots only.

Non-reving is for any airline employee.

Jumpseating (if you're Cass qualified) allows you to ride on any participating airline's actual jumpseat in the cockpit, without paying a dime. Essentially you don't have to worry about how many revenue (or non-revnue with higher priority than you) are trying to get on the flight. If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours.

Non-reving is subject to space available, seniority and fees...



Kevin
 
staplegun said:
Jumpseating is for 121 pilots only.

Non-reving is for any airline employee.

Jumpseating (if you're Cass qualified) allows you to ride on any participating airline's actual jumpseat in the cockpit, without paying a dime. Essentially you don't have to worry about how many revenue (or non-revnue with higher priority than you) are trying to get on the flight. If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours.

Non-reving is subject to space available, seniority and fees...



Kevin
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Okay...so what if you're a single male or female pilot. And you live in say ORD and want to visit LAS for the weekend for pleasure.

Would that be non-reving or jumpseating? Also, what if using this same example there were no empty seats in the back and you had to sit up front for 5 hours.

Again, would that be non-reving or jumpseating. Keeping in mind that the trip was soley for pleasure.

Not sure where the flight originated from but there is a recent thread on here where member on here had to endure the jumpseat out to Vegas. For what I'm gonna guess was a pleasure trip, and not work related.
 
Some airlines, like DL, allow a pilot to "jumpseat" for pleasure travel. As a DL pilot, you can actually reserve the jumpseat on a flight 3 days ahead of time if you're going to work, 2 days ahead of time if you're going home from work, and 1 day in advance for pleasure travel. If you're "jumpseating", you're not on the regular "standby" priority list. You tell the agent you're jumpseating, and you're given the jumpseat.

At AMR, you do NOT ever list as a "jumpseater", as an AMR employee ;). You always must list as a non-rev, and be on the priority list. IF the flight is full, and all cabin seats are taken, then you become a jumpseater, and occupy the jumpseat, as all cabin seats are occupied. You pay the applicable fees if seated in the back, if you end up having to sit up front you do not pay the service charge. In the computer you'll show up as a FDJ or CJ authorized employee. FDJ being the cockpit jumpseat and CJ being the cabin jumpseat.
 
You can jumpseat working for Airnet which is 135. Does anyone know if there are other 135 Ops that are CASS too??
 
staplegun said:
Jumpseating is for 121 pilots only.

Non-reving is for any airline employee.

Jumpseating (if you're Cass qualified) allows you to ride on any participating airline's actual jumpseat in the cockpit, without paying a dime. Essentially you don't have to worry about how many revenue (or non-revnue with higher priority than you) are trying to get on the flight. If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours.

Non-reving is subject to space available, seniority and fees...



Kevin
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I'm with a 121 carrier and we aren't CASS so when I "jumpseat" I still sit in the back.


non rev is a generic term for non revenue travel. On your own company you'll usually be a regular non rev. If you are traveling on another company as a pilot without buying a pass, you're a jumpseater.

Another key thing: If you are jumpseating *always* go to the front and talk to the crew and officially ask for a ride. It's the captains' bird and he is allowing you to ride on it by his good graces. He also may wish to examine your paperwork. There are some pilots out there who will boot you off their airplane if they see you as a jumpseater on their manifest and you haven't talked to them.


Re: 135 CASS
Everts has a 135 side and cass, but they have part 121 and 125 operations as well.
 
There are a whole bunch of 135 operations that are in CASS.

This is the way I look at it.

When ever you travel on your own airline (or the major airline your regional is providing lift for) you are non reving. Now, some of the time as a non rev you may end up in the jumpseat if the flight is full, but you are still non reving, but you happen to be sitting up front.

If you are traveling on an airline OTHER then your own, you can either a) buy a ID90 or a ZED pass (which is basically a reduced rate space available ticket) or if you are a pilot and have an agreement with that airline, you can jumpseat. Now, as a jumpseater, you may get a seat in the back or you may (if you are in CASS) have to actually sit up front in the actual jumpseat.

Clear as mud?
 
staplegun said:
Jumpseating is for 121 pilots only.

Non-reving is for any airline employee.

Jumpseating (if you're Cass qualified) allows you to ride on any participating airline's actual jumpseat in the cockpit, without paying a dime. Essentially you don't have to worry about how many revenue (or non-revnue with higher priority than you) are trying to get on the flight. If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours.

Non-reving is subject to space available, seniority and fees...



Kevin
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Jumpseating is not just for 121 pilots. 135 Pilots, as well as dispatchers are often in CASS, and NTSB and FAA employees can jumpseat as well. Often their are other exceptions as well.

Jumpseating is what you do as a last resort. If you are CASS qualified, non revenue is what you do when you aren't dressed professionally, don't want to say hello to the flight crew, or don't want to make the gate agent mad. Often when I jumpseated, the gate agent would ask "Did you list (for non rev)?" I said No, and then the gate agent would roll their eyes and get frustrated. Sometimes, they don't like doing work like everybody else.
 
I'm under the impression that some gate agents hate jumpseaters, because they can travel free of charge while all the other employee groups still have to pay a nominal fee to non-rev.
 
Depends on the system. In the Airways system non rev travel is free for any employee and their spouse and dependent children. No per trip cost, not once a year "service fee". You pay taxes on international flights but that is it.
 
Baradium said:
Another key thing: If you are jumpseating *always* go to the front and talk to the crew and officially ask for a ride. It's the captains' bird and he is allowing you to ride on it by his good graces. He also may wish to examine your paperwork. There are some pilots out there who will boot you off their airplane if they see you as a jumpseater on their manifest and you haven't talked to them.
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Really? I've heard this from several other sources as well and it makes me wonder if the crew will appreciate me barging in during the middle of the hectic preflight to ask for a ride...
 
Van_Hoolio said:
I'm under the impression that some gate agents hate jumpseaters, because they can travel free of charge while all the other employee groups still have to pay a nominal fee to non-rev.
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I'll sympathize with the gate agents when they have as much responsibility as the pilots do.:sarcasm:
 
SkiHigh2002 said:
Really? I've heard this from several other sources as well and it makes me wonder if the crew will appreciate me barging in during the middle of the hectic preflight to ask for a ride...
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Trust me... we appreciate it. Sure we may be busy, but there is always time for a quick hello. As far as I know there is only one airline in the US that requests you NOT check in up front and that is due to political reasons.
 
SkiHigh2002 said:
Really? I've heard this from several other sources as well and it makes me wonder if the crew will appreciate me barging in during the middle of the hectic preflight to ask for a ride...
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There was an Everts DC-6 Captain jumping down with me from Fairbanks last time. He said one of their guys was on a flight where a Frontier Airlines (the lower 48 frontier that is) Captain came to the back and made a jumpseater get off his airplane because he didn't stop up front to ask.

Now, I have had captains comment when I stopped up front that, while they hadn't previously, they were about to start booting jumpseaters who didn't ask because they were starting to see too much of a trend.

This also isn't the first story I've heard of captains actually doing so.

If they are busy I will wait just outside the cockpit until I see a pause or they notice me to prevent interrupting a flow, it seems to work fairly well.
 
Easiest way? Go to the Southwest counter, and they will get you on the flight.

Period.

Just another reason that they are teh bomb.
 
Good heavens you're all confused.

Jumpseating (with respect to pilots) is a professional courtesy extended by pilots to pilots (with the concurrence of the airline). It allows a pilot who needs/wants to travel to fly on an aircraft and, if there is no seat in the back, to occupy the flight deck jumpseat. It sometimes requires you to fill out a jumpseat form and rarely (ever?) involves the payment of any fee. To occupy the flight deck you must be verified, either through the airlines computers or through CASS, to jumpseat "in the back" you don't need to be verified (depending on the airline).

Non-revving is the act of taking advantage of a program airlines offer to airline employees to fly either for free or on a reduced fee schedule - you are a non-revenue passenger. A non-revenue passenger, like any passenger, cannot occupy the flight deck jumpseat.

If you list as a non-revenue passenger you cannot occupy the jumpseat, however, if qualifed, you can change your status to jumpseater, in which case you cann occupy the jumpseat. A jumpseater can sit up front or in the back, a non-revenue passenger can only sit in the back. It's important to know what you are (and more important that the gate agent knows what you are) - because non-revenue passengers sometimes pay fees to travel that jumpseaters do not - even though they may occupy the exact same seat.

A jumpseater is travelling at the pleasure of the captain and ALWAYS checks in when boarding (I guess there are some airlines that say not to, but stuff that, it's the captain's option, I'll ask for a ride). A non-revenue passenger is riding at the pleasure of the airline and does not need to check-in with the captain and at most places they don't want you to. If you want to check-in have at it, but most crews will look at you a bit funny if you do.

While it sounds like DL has some rules written down somewhere, professional courtesy comes into play with respect to jumpseating when there are multiple pilots competing for the seat. As far as I'm concerned any pilot travelling TO work (regardless of their airline) has priority, then comes any pilots travelling FROM work (again regardless of their airline) and then comes travelling for fun or pleasure. If you're travelling for personal reasons and you take the jumpseat from someone using it to commute, even when you have priority, then you're not a very nice person.
 
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