Difference between Jumpseating and non reving!

staplegun said:
Jumpseating is for 121 pilots only.

Non-reving is for any airline employee.

Jumpseating (if you're Cass qualified) allows you to ride on any participating airline's actual jumpseat in the cockpit, without paying a dime. Essentially you don't have to worry about how many revenue (or non-revnue with higher priority than you) are trying to get on the flight. If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours.
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You forgot to add AT THE CAPTAIN'S DISCRETION. And there is no limit to the reasons the Captain could exclude you from dress code to what airline you work for.

"You know the jumpseat is yours" is a pretty big stretch of logic and reflects a false sense of entitlement. The jumpseat is MINE not yours.

Period, end of story.
 
Not to mention: Jumpseat Ettiquette...


I tried jumpseating on a few different carriers a week or so ago on a trip to IAH and back taken for personal reasons. It was.. enlightening.

First off- read the article on ettiquette on jumpseating on AirlinePilotCentral. I tried it and was more or less unawares and probably made an ass out of myself. I know better now. There's unofficial protocol to be followed, unless you want to make a name for yourself as being 'that guy'.

Non-rev travel aside, if you want to jumpseat, ask the gate agent if you can ask the captain for a ride. Once the agent verifies you clear in the system, venture on down when it's convenient for them and the crew. Ask the lead flight attendant if you can ask the captain for a ride. This, of course, assumes there is at a minimum an open cockpit jumpseat that the airline in question will let you occupy by policy.

Then, politely introduce yourself to the captain and f.o. and present your credentials (airline ID, passport, forms, etc..) and ask for a ride.

It's still the captain's discretion. If there are seats available in the back, he might ask you to be there. Otherwise you'll wind up in the cockpit jumpseat. If you do, do your best impersonation of a flight engineer and watch everything. Don't attempt to assist or involve yourself unless asked to do so by the captain.

If, as happened to me the other day- they overseat the flight and you suddenly find yourself the odd man out- politely thank all involved for trying and try to get on something else. Everyone involved doesn't owe you anything and just went out of their way to help you out. They'll remember how you act.

This stuff pays off in spades with your colleagues in the regionals, and is a definite must with your more seasoned counterparts at a major. They notice. It's up to all of us to maintain and uphold the dignity of our profession and not be 'that guy'.

Hope this helps.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Not to mention: Jumpseat Ettiquette...


I tried jumpseating on a few different carriers a week or so ago on a trip to IAH and back taken for personal reasons. It was.. enlightening.

First off- read the article on ettiquette on jumpseating on AirlinePilotCentral. I tried it and was more or less unawares and probably made an ass out of myself. I know better now. There's unofficial protocol to be followed, unless you want to make a name for yourself as being 'that guy'.

Non-rev travel aside, if you want to jumpseat, ask the gate agent if you can ask the captain for a ride. Once the agent verifies you clear in the system, venture on down when it's convenient for them and the crew. Ask the lead flight attendant if you can ask the captain for a ride. This, of course, assumes there is at a minimum an open cockpit jumpseat that the airline in question will let you occupy by policy.

Then, politely introduce yourself to the captain and f.o. and present your credentials (airline ID, passport, forms, etc..) and ask for a ride.

It's still the captain's discretion. If there are seats available in the back, he might ask you to be there. Otherwise you'll wind up in the cockpit jumpseat. If you do, do your best impersonation of a flight engineer and watch everything. Don't attempt to assist or involve yourself unless asked to do so by the captain.

If, as happened to me the other day- they overseat the flight and you suddenly find yourself the odd man out- politely thank all involved for trying and try to get on something else. Everyone involved doesn't owe you anything and just went out of their way to help you out. They'll remember how you act.

This stuff pays off in spades with your colleagues in the regionals, and is a definite must with your more seasoned counterparts at a major. They notice. It's up to all of us to maintain and uphold the dignity of our profession and not be 'that guy'.

Hope this helps.
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:yeahthat: X100!



Great advice.



Kevin
 
Velocipede said:
You forgot to add AT THE CAPTAIN'S DISCRETION. And there is no limit to the reasons the Captain could exclude you from dress code to what airline you work for.

"You know the jumpseat is yours" is a pretty big stretch of logic and reflects a false sense of entitlement. The jumpseat is MINE not yours.

Period, end of story.
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Yes, you are correct and I stand corrected. I just assume everyone knows this, but it does need to be underlined. I should have written:

"If no other pilot from the OAL airline is trying to get on, you know that seat is yours, assuming the Captain grants you permission to occupy his jumpseat..."


How's that, Velo, better? ;)




Kevin
 
CFIse said:
If you're travelling for personal reasons and you take the jumpseat from someone using it to commute, even when you have priority, then you're not a very nice person.
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And there is such a thing as jumpseat/non-rev karma. It always comes back around.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Not to mention: Jumpseat Ettiquette...


I tried jumpseating on a few different carriers a week or so ago on a trip to IAH and back taken for personal reasons. It was.. enlightening.

First off- read the article on ettiquette on jumpseating on AirlinePilotCentral. I tried it and was more or less unawares and probably made an ass out of myself. I know better now. There's unofficial protocol to be followed, unless you want to make a name for yourself as being 'that guy'.

Non-rev travel aside, if you want to jumpseat, ask the gate agent if you can ask the captain for a ride. Once the agent verifies you clear in the system, venture on down when it's convenient for them and the crew. Ask the lead flight attendant if you can ask the captain for a ride. This, of course, assumes there is at a minimum an open cockpit jumpseat that the airline in question will let you occupy by policy.

Then, politely introduce yourself to the captain and f.o. and present your credentials (airline ID, passport, forms, etc..) and ask for a ride.

It's still the captain's discretion. If there are seats available in the back, he might ask you to be there. Otherwise you'll wind up in the cockpit jumpseat. If you do, do your best impersonation of a flight engineer and watch everything. Don't attempt to assist or involve yourself unless asked to do so by the captain.

If, as happened to me the other day- they overseat the flight and you suddenly find yourself the odd man out- politely thank all involved for trying and try to get on something else. Everyone involved doesn't owe you anything and just went out of their way to help you out. They'll remember how you act.

This stuff pays off in spades with your colleagues in the regionals, and is a definite must with your more seasoned counterparts at a major. They notice. It's up to all of us to maintain and uphold the dignity of our profession and not be 'that guy'.

Hope this helps.
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:yeahthat:

Thats how I do it. Sometimes you can't get up front to ask permission to ride along. If the lead Flight attendant tells me to go sit down in the back., I go sit in the back. Theres no point in insisting to go see the captain. IMHO I make sure to go up front and thank them for the ride after the flight.

If I am jumpseating, I always thank them for the ride and tell them how much I enjoyed watching them work after the flight.

I'm am fairly new to the whole jumpseating thing and still fine tuning my etiquette. The only airline that we have a reciprocating agreement is SWA and like Lloyd said...They are a bunch of stand up people over there. I've never not made a flight with them.
 
av8sean said:
Ditto. I got stuck in Vegas once because the gate agents didn't have time to deal with nonrevs.
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Oh, that'll happen at a LOT of airlines!

Even mine, watch 'em like a hawk! :)

"Hey toots, hows that jumpseat lookin'?" :D
 
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