Did we forget that flying is fun?

[dasleben]

If I remember correctly (haven't instructed in a while) that for private standards, stall recovery is initiated after a full stall(nose drops) and commercial standards have you recover at the first indication of a stall.

Same with ATP. First indication only. Personally, I think recovering at the first indication requires a prompter recovery and finer hand. That said, learning how to recover from a fully developed stall is important when first learning. Seems like the FAA got that right.

 

[amjon]

My first instrument instructor came from a pilot factory ( I am not going to say the name but lets say they are based in atlanta, and have a 0 time to CFI 90 day rush curriculum).

This guy was a complete tool, all he kept talking about was how hardcore ATP ( whoops I said it) is and how amazing all of the pilots there are. He kept trying to act all big and bad when he only had 700 hours and was by far the worst instructor I have ever had. I stopped taking lessons for 5 months ( 2 month long battle with pneumonia/ school/ work) and he moved off to texas for some airforce desk job.

One of the instructors I fly with went to ATP. I totally trust him. He doesn't say ATP is a must though. He said they do teach you to fly, but don't care about the students at all. They just try to move the students through. He is a great instructor. (The others went to Phoenix and Riddle too, but they don't have an attitude.)

 

[amjon]

Is that a trend these days? It's been since 2004 since I've done any serious GA flying, but I got checked out a couple months ago in a C172 at a local FBO. I tried to let my stalls fully develop and drop a wing before initiating recovery (the way I was taught in primary training in the mid 90s). The brand new CFI was insistent that I recover at the first indication of a stall (the horn), which seemed a little cheesy to me. Is this the way it's taught now? Obviously, in a real-world stall situation, I'd recover at the first clue. But for training, I think it makes sense to understand how the aircraft behaves if you don't catch the clue bird.

My CFI made me do stalls to a full stall. The stall didn't even start until it was almost 20 mph under the stall horn.

 

[greaper007]

Three pages of the same thing. esa17 summed it up best, the guy is a weenie.

Is there any one out there who agrees with this CFIs views? Anyone?

Based on the way the conversation was presented, no. Staying sharp and proficient in an airplane is always a good practice. I don't think there's anything dangerous with slow flight or steep turns.

Now...if I was in the back seat of the plane I wouldn't be very happy if someone ytarted doing airwork if there wasn't an instructor or high time pilot up front that I trusted. Just like I don't like being in the backseat of a car while someone thinks it's fun to do donuts or drive as fast as they can in reverse. Especially if I don't know the plane very well or didn't do the W+B. An inadvertent spin with an aft CG is a really stupid way to die.

Again though, if this guy thinks practicing maneuvers outside a training environment is bad then he's crazy.