Did we forget that flying is fun?

Inverted25

Inverted25

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So this morning me and my uncle decided to take a friend of mine out to eat in the cherokee. My friend who will remain nameless, just got his cfi at a large 141 university. On the way to breakfast me and my uncle decided to have some fun we were doing some steep turns on the way there and some slow flight to see if we could hover over a house etc etc. At breakfast my friend decided to go into a 20 min speech about how what we did on the way there is very unproffessional and uncalled for. There was no reason to be doing steep turns if not doing so for training and no reason to be doing slow flight for the same reason. He said it is goofing around like that that gets people killed.


Now seriously people have we forget that flying is supposed to be fun. I understand that the professional types want to push for more proffesionalism etc etc but really com on. We did the clearing turns and we were talking to atc and let them know what we were doing. At what point was having some fun doing steep turns and slow fight dangerous. I enjoy going up and flying aerobatics in a Super D when money allows. Does that makes me dangerous as well?

I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
 
Inverted25 said:
So this morning me and my uncle decided to take a friend of mine out to eat in the cherokee. My friend who will remain nameless, just got his cfi at a large 141 university. On the way to breakfast me and my uncle decided to have some fun we were doing some steep turns on the way there and some slow flight to see if we could hover over a house etc etc. At breakfast my friend decided to go into a 20 min speech about how what we did on the way there is very unproffessional and uncalled for. There was no reason to be doing steep turns if not doing so for training and no reason to be doing slow flight for the same reason. He said it is goofing around like that that gets people killed.


Now seriously people have we forget that flying is supposed to be fun. I understand that the professional types want to push for more proffesionalism etc etc but really com on. We did the clearing turns and we were talking to atc and let them know what we were doing. At what point was having some fun doing steep turns and slow fight dangerous. I enjoy going up and flying aerobatics in a Super D when money allows. Does that makes me dangerous as well?

I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
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My uncle and I* :D

But I do agree with your post :clap:

I am also a part 61 product and to this day I have no problem just going up and practicing steep turns and stalls. You never know when the day will come when you're doing an insturment approach in ice in western new york and the stick shaker starts firing...
 
Inverted25 said:
So this morning me and my uncle decided to take a friend of mine out to eat in the cherokee. My friend who will remain nameless, just got his cfi at a large 141 university. On the way to breakfast me and my uncle decided to have some fun we were doing some steep turns on the way there and some slow flight to see if we could hover over a house etc etc. At breakfast my friend decided to go into a 20 min speech about how what we did on the way there is very unproffessional and uncalled for. There was no reason to be doing steep turns if not doing so for training and no reason to be doing slow flight for the same reason. He said it is goofing around like that that gets people killed.


Now seriously people have we forget that flying is supposed to be fun. I understand that the professional types want to push for more proffesionalism etc etc but really com on. We did the clearing turns and we were talking to atc and let them know what we were doing. At what point was having some fun doing steep turns and slow fight dangerous. I enjoy going up and flying aerobatics in a Super D when money allows. Does that makes me dangerous as well?

I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
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Those people are everywhere. Screw em'.
 
You sould have given him a lesson in weight and balance by leaving him there and flying back without him!

BTW, I really think it has more to do with why people get into flying and not where they went to school that makes them act like this. I find plenty of people in the military who really aren't passionate about flying and many never fly again once they finish a squadron tour.
 
I would have told him that if it was so unprofessional and dangerous, he should probably not subject himself to it on the way back and should take a cab, train or horse and buggy because he isn't getting back in my plane.

-mini
 
I would have told him not to be such a wuss, and speak up sooner, rather than after the fact. That way you could have taken him back to the home apt. and let him out so you could stay profecient and "unprofessional" with out him.


BTW, whats the harm in doing some maneuver's and making them fun such as you described.
 
I can't imagine being one of his students and having to go on a long x-country with him. He must be a real joy to fly with.
 
Inverted25 said:
So this morning me and my uncle decided to take a friend of mine out to eat in the cherokee. My friend who will remain nameless, just got his cfi at a large 141 university. On the way to breakfast me and my uncle decided to have some fun we were doing some steep turns on the way there and some slow flight to see if we could hover over a house etc etc. At breakfast my friend decided to go into a 20 min speech about how what we did on the way there is very unproffessional and uncalled for. There was no reason to be doing steep turns if not doing so for training and no reason to be doing slow flight for the same reason. He said it is goofing around like that that gets people killed.


Now seriously people have we forget that flying is supposed to be fun. I understand that the professional types want to push for more proffesionalism etc etc but really com on. We did the clearing turns and we were talking to atc and let them know what we were doing. At what point was having some fun doing steep turns and slow fight dangerous. I enjoy going up and flying aerobatics in a Super D when money allows. Does that makes me dangerous as well?

I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
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This is one of the reasons why I am leaving UND for a normal part 61 flight school :bandit:
 
Lesson learned, don't bring that guy next time. If student pilots can practice it solo at 20 hours, it probobly isn't dangerous.
 
Inverted25 said:
So this morning me and my uncle decided to take a friend of mine out to eat in the cherokee. My friend who will remain nameless, just got his cfi at a large 141 university. On the way to breakfast me and my uncle decided to have some fun we were doing some steep turns on the way there and some slow flight to see if we could hover over a house etc etc. At breakfast my friend decided to go into a 20 min speech about how what we did on the way there is very unproffessional and uncalled for. There was no reason to be doing steep turns if not doing so for training and no reason to be doing slow flight for the same reason. He said it is goofing around like that that gets people killed.


Now seriously people have we forget that flying is supposed to be fun. I understand that the professional types want to push for more proffesionalism etc etc but really com on. We did the clearing turns and we were talking to atc and let them know what we were doing. At what point was having some fun doing steep turns and slow fight dangerous. I enjoy going up and flying aerobatics in a Super D when money allows. Does that makes me dangerous as well?

I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
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You might be crazy also if you dropped 100 grand on a worthless education.
 
Eff people like that. I know plenty of them who hate HATE flying GA and are just about ready to quit if they don't get "to the airlines soon." Why? An airplane is an airplane. If you don't like to have fun in one, then why waste your life getting paid to fly them?
 
I used to teach 141, and I doubt I would be described as uptight lol.

Some people just have something to prove I guess.
 
Inverted25 said:
I know I am ranting but it just drives me crazy. It seems like all the 141 types I run into are so damn uptight and have no idea how to just go and have fun in a an airplane. And I apologize now if you are a 141 product and dont fit that because I know alot of you arent like that. But it drives me crazy to meet these people because they are the ones killing GA.
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I don't think it has anything to do with 141 vs 61. I know pilots produced from either training route who are equally uptight. I suspect that this is more personality driven than anything.
 
We need more uptight and serious pilots like him.

The more of them we have, the more students will see the value in training with fun and laid back CFIs like myself.
 
Trust me, I know the type.

In my 5 years at the 'academy', I got to see my fair share of the 'gods gift to aviation pilots'.

To be honest, when I first started as a student I had the same mentality. I was going to an expensive school, I was learning to become a pilot, I thought I was pretty hot doo doo. It took me a while to figure out that what I paid for my training and where I received my training had very little to do with who I was going to be as a pilot. It was a growing experience that obviously I needed to experience, and I'm glad I did.

Then when I became an instructor, I couldn't believe the attitudes that group of people fostered. I had long since grown out of my phase, yet these people were acting like we instructed at TOP GUN.

Aviation is a big. As in there are a lot of ways to teach, fly, and live in aviation. Sometimes people get stuck in their corner of it and forget there are others that coexist.
 
Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet this same "CFI" is probably terrified of stalls and will never show his students incipient spins, or even let them get into fully developed stalls, see the results of dropping a wing, etc. I've flown with a couple of nervous CFIs before, and it is a truly miserable experience. These insecure pilots pass on their nervous traits to students, and it's just a real tragedy. It can be a real mess trying to mop up after them, having done so a couple of times in an attempt to fix their damaged students.

After I got my private I spent a good chunk of money doing aerobatics for awhile. It was really some of the most fun I've ever had in an airplane, and the knowledge and confidence gained was invaluable, and has most likely saved my butt a couple of times.

Even going up in a light trainer and having some legal fun with your friends is really enjoyable! In fact, it was on a flight such as this that got me hooked on flying... Going up with one of my friends in college that had just passed his PPL. We did some stalls, steep turns, etc. All safe and legal, and very fun.
 
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