Denver Pilot removes testicules ....

Heck i'm having trouble finding time to volunteer on my off days, meanwhile the guy is out here cutting d***s off on his. On a serious note, I have a few transgender friends and it sucks to see them wanting to go the cheapest/fastest route to get the surgery done. I can't say I blame them if they feel like they're someone they're not supposed to be, but many seem to forget that there are creeps out here like this that are taking advantage of people. Just like the people who are out there giving women bogus a** shots.
 
trafficinsight said:
Lots of people do go to Thailand as you can generally buy first class airfare, hotel, meals, and your procedure for less than the base procedure costs here.

There are downsides though, recovery in a foreign country, difference in techniques, little recourse if something goes wrong down the road after you're home.

I'm sure you really want to know all of this.

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I know someone who went over there to get their surgery done. Thankfully it worked out. It was crazy hearing about the waiting period and everything else needed to get the procedure done here. It almost seems like it's overkill.
 
phill1174 said:
I know someone who went over there to get their surgery done. Thankfully it worked out. It was crazy hearing about the waiting period and everything else needed to get the procedure done here. It almost seems like it's overkill.
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Its not as shady as you're thinking, there are world renowned surgeons in Thailand. Some people never consider going anywhere else.


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Even good surgeons have occasional bad outcomes. They just have fewer of them, and know what to do to correct a problem when they see it.

But beware of a problem that occurs at the intersection of two specialties. The likelihood of the solution being the simplest one can get lost in the shuffle between what each one knows (ie: their specialty), and the hand-off to the other specialist. 'Best for the patient' may lose out to board-certified ego-docs.
 
phill1174 said:
Heck i'm having trouble finding time to volunteer on my off days, meanwhile the guy is out here cutting d***s off on his. On a serious note, I have a few transgender friends and it sucks to see them wanting to go the cheapest/fastest route to get the surgery done. I can't say I blame them if they feel like they're someone they're not supposed to be, but many seem to forget that there are creeps out here like this that are taking advantage of people. Just like the people who are out there giving women bogus a** shots.
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It's a situation and thought process that is so complex we could probably talk for hours about it and it still wouldn't make any sense.

At any rate, we're 4 times as likely to make less than 10,000$ annually, no accommodation is generally given for treatment if we do have jobs (see below), and very few people have health insurance that covers anything. The bay area is a huge anomaly as most tech companies have great coverage and many people joke that part of your "trans starter kit" is a job in IT.

As for me...

The FAA claims that I can get everything changed over in one day, and then my company claims that a new badge will take just a couple days. I asked the company person I'm dealing with "What if there are issues with that process?"

What followed was a "soft warning" that I'd better not miss any flying.

So it appears that my future is in the hands of a government agency and a possibly hostile company?

I reminded them that there is already a process for people who are renewing their passport which would be the final step for me and I would follow that process. What followed was some umms and ahhs and finally a reluctant agreement on that point at least.

So if my stress has been showing lately....

The good news is that I appear to have 5 or 6 days off in a row in June.

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Itchy said:
I'm failing (thankfully) at the visual. He removed the rudder pedals but left the joystick? Why?
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There are a few different reasons one might consider it.

You can't take the testosterone blockers due to various sensitivities to the medication or just don't like the way it makes you feel (the most common one in use is also a blood pressure medication...).

Or if you want to or need to be able to take smaller doses of hormone replacement, you have to get rid of the body's main source of natural hormones.

Some people just don't want them, or they cause physical or emotional discomfort. Clothes fit a little better without than with.

In the past it (sterilization...) was required. Now I'd say it's probably not a super common thing people do anymore, but it's still done for various reasons.

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What happens if the surgery goes as planned and he successfully gets his balls removed. Does he start dressing like a woman pilot now? Or does he just dress like a regular pilot with no balls?
 
trafficinsight said:
Especially if your surgeon messes it up as bad as this guy did.

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This isn't a procedure I would seek out.

If they told me this guy has done more of these types of surgeries than anybody else in the world, I wouldn't be shocked. But, having your body physically altered in such an unnatural way is just asking for trouble. It looks like this procedure finally caught up to them.

I am just wondering the differences of how a pilot would act/dress before and after such a procedure.
 
Jafari RastaMan said:
This isn't a procedure I would seek out.

If they told me this guy has done more of these types of surgeries than anybody else in the world, I wouldn't be shocked. But, having your body physically altered in such an unnatural way is just asking for trouble. It looks like this procedure finally caught up to them.

I am just wondering the differences of how a pilot would act/dress before and after such a procedure.
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Oh, I thought you were asking "for a friend."

Where did you go to med school?

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Nark said:
@trafficinsight Don't be so condescending. Many, many, many of us don't float in the transgender circle. Nor do we intereact with openly transgender people.

He was asking a question, which I interpreted to be legitimate, and not factious.
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I interpreted it the opposite way.

Perhaps he could clarify.

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trafficinsight said:
I interpreted it the opposite way.

Perhaps he could clarify.

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I think he was going for,

At what point does one start to outwardly manifest through wardrobe their true identity? Is there some legal threshold, or is it more, When you feel comfortable coming out?

Remember, most pilots are socially awkward, so may not ask questions in an appropriate manner, but are curious to the process and, I hope, generally supportive.
 
Cptnchia said:
I think he was going for,

At what point does one start to outwardly manifest through wardrobe their true identity? Is there some legal threshold, or is it more, When you feel comfortable coming out?

Remember, most pilots are socially awkward, so may not ask questions in an appropriate manner, but are curious to the process and, I hope, generally supportive.
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I didn't really even know where to start with how that had been worded... It definitely came off as trying to be deliberately offensive. I'm still not convinced it wasn't. I am verbally attacked on a regular basis so If I seem to be defensive at times there's a reason for that, my threshold for BS isn't a static value either.

I can forgive if others can.

As far as your interpretation of the question...

Clothing:

The idea of a legal threshold is actually kind of funny honestly.... As if one needs a license to wear certain clothes.... Who would enforce it? Fashion police? I wonder where that is in Trump's budget... ;)

Seriously though, in terms of daily life, it's when one is comfortable doing so, it has nothing to do with one's genitals, if you're dressing appropriately those can't be seen!

Everybody is different. I have a practical streak and I'm a regional FO, I can't throw my entire dresser away so my presentation has evolved slowly over time, some stuff just won't die!

Pilots tend to have an extra layer of complexity at work since there are stricter dress codes in play, many more identity documents to deal with, and honestly, most airlines aren't real accommodating with variation from a traditional look. There is an awkward phase that sucks for all of us. Be kind.

Pronouns:

I'm not picking on anyone in particular, it's happened a lot in this thread and others, but when using pronouns it's polite to use the pronouns of the gender one is going for or if someone has a stated preference.

I understand that in the beginning this is difficult but I promise if you make an effort initially it eventually becomes effortless and you'll wonder what the big deal was about.

No one expects perfection, at least no one reasonable, if you're called on it, correct yourself, apologize, and move on. I'm not angry, but I have to say something.

Alternatively, and since there is a lot of variation out there and you may not know someone's preference, one may default to neutral pronouns, this becomes very easy after some adjustment time as well and I've found is actually quite appropriate in many other situations as well.

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trafficinsight said:
The idea of a legal threshold is actually kind of funny honestly.... As if one needs a license to wear certain clothes.... Who would enforce it?
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I worked for a regional that fired a FA for wearing the female uniform. He hadn't had the surgery yet. Their reasoning was, he was hired as a male FA and was not authorized to wear any other type of uniform until he was considered legally female. Of course, this was a long time ago.
 
Cptnchia said:
I worked for a regional that fired a FA for wearing the female uniform. He hadn't had the surgery yet. Their reasoning was, he was hired as a male FA and was not authorized to wear any other type of uniform until he was considered legally female. Of course, this was a long time ago.
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She. :)

That is probably still the case today, honestly, though surgery is no longer required to change one's documents.

Daily life however... ;)

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