Delta's New 717

Talked to a DTW captain with the "You fly it, you taxi it" approach.

Reminds me in DFW when we'd get the occasional inboard landing and some captains would say "choose your high speed correctly so I don't have to mess with the tiller, tell me when you're done widdit".
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I havent flown an approach with the autothrust on in a month. :) Fifi is by far the most fun hand flying airliner I've flown except it's a close tie to the 757.


But, I couldn't taxi around the airport from the right seat in the others like I can on fifi. I forgot how much I enjoyed taxiing and parking the plane.

Which is another difference with DL and US... at US the FO's tiller moving is a FOQA event. Whereas at DL it's perfectly fine for the FO to taxi at any time.
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I'm still pretty new on it and being on reserve, I fly about 20-30 hours a month. When I fly more, I'll get more daring.

None of us can figure out why FOs can't taxi, either. However, we were told to never EVER touch the tiller on the right side. I taxied the sim for my type rating, but I did it from the left seat. Thankfully, with 5 years and 3000 hours as a Captain on the ERJ, I was quite used to a touchy tiller.
 
Derg said:
Talked to a DTW captain with the "You fly it, you taxi it" approach.

Reminds me in DFW when we'd get the occasional inboard landing and some captains would say "choose your high speed correctly so I don't have to mess with the tiller, tell me when you're done widdit".
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We can take the high speeds with the rudder pedals, just no tiller. I do like how the Captains don't immediately jump on the controls when the mains touch...unlike the last time I was an FO.
 
Derg said:
Talked to a DTW captain with the "You fly it, you taxi it" approach.

Reminds me in DFW when we'd get the occasional inboard landing and some captains would say "choose your high speed correctly so I don't have to mess with the tiller, tell me when you're done widdit".
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That's the way the captain is that I'm with on this trip. As soon as the before takeoff checklist is done, it's mine... all the way to the gate.
 
ERfly said:
I'm still pretty new on it and being on reserve, I fly about 20-30 hours a month. When I fly more, I'll get more daring.

None of us can figure out why FOs can't taxi, either. However, we were told to never EVER touch the tiller on the right side. I taxied the sim for my type rating, but I did it from the left seat. Thankfully, with 5 years and 3000 hours as a Captain on the ERJ, I was quite used to a touchy tiller.
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That sounds like a normal US rsv month. My best friend is an FO on fifi over there, too. He's done one highspeed in the last 4 weeks. It is unreal the amount of rsvs yall carry.
The "don't touch the tiller" mentality is like DL used to have many years ago. They tried to get boeing to deliver the 777s with only one tiller. Boeing said no can do. And so things changed with the times...

The tiller on the 320 really reminds me of feel of the one on the CRJ, which i think has identical logic to what you had on the ERJ. I anchor a couple fingers on the ground and sort of walk the tiller around. It's really fun when you get a captain coming off the MD-88 which was like steering a dump truck.... they'd have to use 2 hands at times. ...and cue my head and 152 others slamming from side to side as they jerk the steering on dainty fifi around... "Man this thing is touchy!!"

We've got pretty chill procedures, and as long as you check off the required boxes, there is flexibility. Love it.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
That sounds like a normal US rsv month. My best friend is an FO on fifi over there, too. He's done one highspeed in the last 4 weeks. It is unreal the amount of rsvs yall carry.
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The sad thing is, we don't even carry that many reserves. There's just no open time. The longer the merger draws out, the more guys fly (and pick up off the bid sheet) to boost their retro check. I've done 2-days thus far this month, a short MSY overnight and an LAX overnight. Funny thing was, they never touched me for these last 5 days on, yet I still had to play the "Can I Go Home, Yet?" game with scheduling (they won 2 out of 3 rounds).
 
ERfly said:
The sad thing is, we don't even carry that many reserves. There's just no open time. The longer the merger draws out, the more guys fly (and pick up off the bid sheet) to boost their retro check. I've done 2-days thus far this month, a short MSY overnight and an LAX overnight. Funny thing was, they never touched me for these last 5 days on, yet I still had to play the "Can I Go Home, Yet?" game with scheduling (they won 2 out of 3 rounds).
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For @PeanuckleCRJ and @ERfly what are you automatic release times for your last day of reserve blocks? Short Call and Long Call?
 
Seggy said:
For @PeanuckleCRJ and @ERfly what are you automatic release times for your last day of reserve blocks? Short Call and Long Call?
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I think when it's over. I don't believe we have automatic release times. For long call, by late morning, early afternoon on your last day, it's safe to say you're not going to get called (9 hour call-out). For short call, if you have a later PT (Protected Time or rest time), you'll end up waiting until later in the day to be released. Or Short Calls bid for PTs. We bid for our rest time and then are on call for the entire day not within that 9 hour window. We do bid them, but they can (read WILL) change. This last block of days, I had the 02 PT. This meant I was on call from 1100 to 0159. They didn't release me to days off until around 1600.
 
Seggy said:
For @PeanuckleCRJ and @ERfly what are you automatic release times for your last day of reserve blocks? Short Call and Long Call?
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We always default to long call (12 hrs). We can be assigned a short call (gentleman's 2 hr callout) window up to 6 days a month.

The last day on call before a regular day off, you can be on call up to the end of the day, but can call and get released. Before a golden day off, you are released from any rsv at noon.
 
Derg said:
Talked to a DTW captain with the "You fly it, you taxi it" approach.

Reminds me in DFW when we'd get the occasional inboard landing and some captains would say "choose your high speed correctly so I don't have to mess with the tiller, tell me when you're done widdit".
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Damn son!
 
Heres a better pic of the 717.

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