Delta's future plans

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That is rediculous if those other regionals get the 170, Comair was promised those after their pay freeze. That means the worst regional airlines that aren't even owned by Delta are flying the newest, biggest and best jets.....
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Those Jets were awarded to Republic before Comair took the bait and agreed to a pay freeze. What makes Republic Airways' Airlines the worst regional?

[/ QUOTE ] Well from what I have heard, and I am not an insider by any means whatsoever but it terms of QOL, pay and such Comair, ASA, and Skywest are leaps and bounds over CHQ. I mean Comair guys have explained to me how CHQ's acceptance of their rediculous low paying, not too good work rules contract is undermining them and the rest of the DCI system.
 
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Dont go based on what you hear. You're not going to make many friends going around like this. QOL is actually really good at CHQ, and as good or better then anyone else. Pay is right at standard. Ask your comair buddies how the like Junior Manning.
 
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Management simply has no incentive NOT to file for bankruptcy,

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Just to double check one more time (triple check?). You do understand that bankruptcy essentially means the owners of the company, the stockholders, get nothing? The stockholders are who the BOD represents and while they may not do a great job of it, it is patently obvious that bankruptcy is their last option, not first.

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The ONLY thing that will stop it is if Congress blocks off this "bankruptcy-as-management-strategy" the way UAL and US Airways are using it,

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Do you believe that UAL and US Airways are solvent, viable companies that could otherwise manage just fine and make their owners and creditors whole, but just decided to go bankrupt to screw the employees?

I'm generally against the leniency of the current bankruptcy laws, because I think it would help if weaker companies went under. But I don't expect management of those companies to just voluntarily lock the doors. For one thing it's the creditors who own the companies now and their call.
 
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Dont go based on what you hear. You're not going to make many friends going around like this. Ask your comair buddies how the like Junior Manning.

[/ QUOTE ] What do you mean don't go based on what I hear? I am new and learning about the airline industry and surrounded by people who have years on top of years of expierence, shouldn't I listen to them?
I am not putting down CHQ I am just saying I think Delta should have given the bigger jets to the companies that they wholly own and have been serving them for decades. But its still cool they got some 170's, do you know if they will be passing through CVG?
And I am not trying to make enemis dude....I am just trying to figure it all out. Anyway sorry....Didn't mean to upset ya
 
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Management simply has no incentive NOT to file for bankruptcy,

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Just to double check one more time (triple check?). You do understand that bankruptcy essentially means the owners of the company, the stockholders, get nothing? The stockholders are who the BOD represents and while they may not do a great job of it, it is patently obvious that bankruptcy is their last option, not first.

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I will grant you that UA and U got themselves into the mess they're in presently, but the rest will follow only to remain competitive. As I alluded to earlier, however, they're not likely to get the sort of concessions from labor necessary to do so. You certainly don't hear the labor groups calling for "UAL + 1%!" now, but in the absence of some sort of managerial rabbit pulled from a hat, that's pretty much what it will take those carriers to stay competitive with the ones operating under bankruptcy protection. The bottom line is that management at those carriers WILL get those concessions one way or the other, or go out of business.
 
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OK, sounds like we're on the same page. I don't believe that Grinstein would have come in at Delta just to take it to bankruptcy. He wants to give it a shot, not the least because he's got to bear his share of responsibility for the company being at this point. But I agree it's unlikely they'll avoid bankruptcy. These latest fuel prices pretty much guarantee it.
 
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Dont go based on what you hear. You're not going to make many friends going around like this. Ask your comair buddies how the like Junior Manning.

[/ QUOTE ] What do you mean don't go based on what I hear? I am new and learning about the airline industry and surrounded by people who have years on top of years of expierence, shouldn't I listen to them?
I am not putting down CHQ I am just saying I think Delta should have given the bigger jets to the companies that they wholly own and have been serving them for decades. But its still cool they got some 170's, do you know if they will be passing through CVG?
And I am not trying to make enemis dude....I am just trying to figure it all out. Anyway sorry....Didn't mean to upset ya

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What he is trying to say is that the aviation world is full of rumors, 99% of them not being true. These rumors are usually started by people trying to speculate things on their own and are ususlly not based on facts. Many times these rumors are about other airlines who the rumor spreader has little or no knowlege of. When people from said airline hear the rumors, they usually become very annoyed at the lies being spread. Rumors can cause anymosity between airlines, between labor and management, between different labor unions at the same airlines, etc...
 
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What he is trying to say is that the aviation world is full of rumors, 99% of them not being true.

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For example, I've been hearing "merger with America West" and "merger with Continental" about every three weeks since 1998.
 
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Ask your comair buddies how they like Junior Manning.

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I hear hot reserve is also fun! Reserve for 18 months or so must also be a blast with no upgrade in sight.

High pay rates do not always = better QOL. Right now, due to my own circumstances and preferences, my QOL is way better at CHQ then it could ever have been at Comair. Not to say Comair is a bad airline....just different strokes for different folks.

And I second Kingairer on "careful what you say" especially when you admit yourself that you have little knowledge on the industry. I know and respect many Comair pilots and think they are a fine group. But there is definitely a club there (how big I don't know) who have made a sport of looking down at just about any other regional as inferior, and aren't afraid of being vocal. Ironically, some of the most vocal that I've heard of are fairly recent hires who have had nothing to do with the 2001 strike and joined up well after the fight had been won. Beware.
 
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Ask your comair buddies how they like Junior Manning.

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I hear hot reserve is also fun! Reserve for 18 months or so must also be a blast with no upgrade in sight.

High pay rates do not always = better QOL. Right now, due to my own circumstances and preferences, my QOL is way better at CHQ then it could ever have been at Comair. Not to say Comair is a bad airline....just different strokes for different folks.

And I second Kingairer on "careful what you say" especially when you admit yourself that you have little knowledge on the industry. I know and respect many Comair pilots and think they are a fine group. But there is definitely a club there (how big I don't know) who have made a sport of looking down at just about any other regional as inferior, and aren't afraid of being vocal. Ironically, some of the most vocal that I've heard of are fairly recent hires who have had nothing to do with the 2001 strike and joined up well after the fight had been won. Beware.

[/ QUOTE ] I don't think time off reserve at Comair is 18 months. Actually I heard that Comair is going to lower their mins. to what ASA did cause their hurting for pilots...
 
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I don't think time off reserve at Comair is 18 months. Actually I heard that Comair is going to lower their mins. to what ASA did cause their hurting for pilots...

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18 month reserve or something close to it was certainly the case a year ago when hiring was almost at a stand still. As was a 6 month wait for class.

While regional hiring is brisk, I'm not sure I would say Comair or any other regional is "hurting for pilots". I'm not sure what their current mins are, but not so long ago to have any shot of an interview required several thousand hours of flight time with 121 turbine time a must. I'd imagine that if they were lowering their mins, it would bring them more in line with just about every regional that has experienced a constant flow of aircraft deliveries in the last 2 or so years.

As for ASA's minimums that were recently made known here, I believe those were "special minimums" requiring some type of previous specialized training. Therefore they are meaningless to all but a very few flight academy type grads.
 
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I don't think time off reserve at Comair is 18 months. Actually I heard that Comair is going to lower their mins. to what ASA did cause their hurting for pilots...

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18 month reserve or something close to it was certainly the case a year ago when hiring was almost at a stand still. As was a 6 month wait for class.

While regional hiring is brisk, I'm not sure I would say Comair or any other regional is "hurting for pilots". I'm not sure what their current mins are, but not so long ago to have any shot of an interview required several thousand hours of flight time with 121 turbine time a must. I'd imagine that if they were lowering their mins, it would bring them more in line with just about every regional that has experienced a constant flow of aircraft deliveries in the last 2 or so years.

As for ASA's minimums that were recently made known here, I believe those were "special minimums" requiring some type of previous specialized training. Therefore they are meaningless to all but a very few flight academy type grads.

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Chris,

Does CHQ hold steady to its minimums posted the company website (1500 and 300)?
 
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Chris,

Does CHQ hold steady to its minimums posted the company website (1500 and 300)?

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For the 170, yes. It seems they will take as low as 1000-1200 TT and 150ish multi for the 145. I managed to walk in a friend's resume back in March who had around 1500 total, but only 140 multi. He got hired and is currently flying the line.
 
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The merger with CO is still the biggest rumor. At one point going around the GO was a combine senority list for pilots, FA's, Mechanics and ACS people. The list seem to disapear rather quickly once if was found out by management. Grinstein is trying to clean up the mess Leo kinda help start and saving face for hiring him.
 
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This is good for at least a few hours of fun:

When the CO rumor is running thru the flight attendant ranks, they always ask the pilots... as if we've got any idea.

Then you say, "Oh yeah, remember, the CAL FA's are AFA so the most senior DAL FA will most likely get stapled beneath the lowest seniority CAL FA. But I hear Guam's got great weather..."
 
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