PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Next up: the P...E...B!
Delta TA
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I'm going to laugh if you end up with a PEB. 
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I'm going to laugh if you end up with a PEB.
That is years away and you know that.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Yes, but I'll still laugh.
Why? Because they should have taken the first offer they got, 3 months prior to their amendable date no less, that very clearly didn't reflect that focus of the pilot group? Or am I missing something?
Fellow Delta Pilots,
Earlier today, we completed the membership ratification process. Voting closed at 2pm EDT and ALPA’s Election Ballot and Certification Board confirmed and certified the outcome of the tentative agreement vote. The voting results are as follows:
97%, or 10,713, of eligible pilots voted.
35%, or 3766 voted in favor of the tentative agreement.
65%, or 6947 voted against the tentative agreement.
As a result of this outcome, I have called for a special meeting of the Delta MEC on July 21. At that meeting we will determine our next step, and reassess our strategic plan. As we formulate our path, we will continue to communicate with you, the line pilot.
Your participation in this process has been, and will continue to be, central to the ideals of the member-driven union that is the hallmark of ALPA. I urge you to remain engaged.
The process of membership ratification and the difficult decisions involved are never easy. Emotions often run high regardless of your perspective. In the end, however, we must strive to respect the differing opinions and seek the common ground we all share as pilots. The majority has spoken, and we must move forward together.
In Unity,
Earlier today, we completed the membership ratification process. Voting closed at 2pm EDT and ALPA’s Election Ballot and Certification Board confirmed and certified the outcome of the tentative agreement vote. The voting results are as follows:
97%, or 10,713, of eligible pilots voted.
35%, or 3766 voted in favor of the tentative agreement.
65%, or 6947 voted against the tentative agreement.
As a result of this outcome, I have called for a special meeting of the Delta MEC on July 21. At that meeting we will determine our next step, and reassess our strategic plan. As we formulate our path, we will continue to communicate with you, the line pilot.
Your participation in this process has been, and will continue to be, central to the ideals of the member-driven union that is the hallmark of ALPA. I urge you to remain engaged.
The process of membership ratification and the difficult decisions involved are never easy. Emotions often run high regardless of your perspective. In the end, however, we must strive to respect the differing opinions and seek the common ground we all share as pilots. The majority has spoken, and we must move forward together.
In Unity,
Me as well. Great job fellas.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No, just because of how the crowd of APC know-nothings claimed it could never happen.
But you know better than what you said above, anyway. It wasn't a "first offer." It was months of negotiations with many offers passed back and forth during that time, until the NC arrived at what they felt was the best offer the company would be willing to make for the foreseeable future.
Now, if you want to say that the pilot group feels that the current contract is good enough that they're willing to gamble to see if they'll get something better in a reasonable period of time, that's a reasonable argument to make. I think it's a bad bet, but I am wrong on a rare occasion.
This is just as impressive as the result. Awesome turnout.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
No, just because of how the crowd of APC know-nothings claimed it could never happen.
But you know better than what you said above, anyway. It wasn't a "first offer." It was months of negotiations with many offers passed back and forth during that time, until the NC arrived at what they felt was the best offer the company would be willing to make for the foreseeable future.
Now, if you want to say that the pilot group feels that the current contract is good enough that they're willing to gamble to see if they'll get something better in a reasonable period of time, that's a reasonable argument to make. I think it's a bad bet, but I am wrong on a rare occasion.
You know as well as I do that the APC Crowd has absolutely zero bearing on real life.
It was the first offer the pilot group saw. What was passed back and forth at the table is unknown to the pilot group as a whole.
The NC (driven by the New York Secondary MEC) may have well thought that this was the best offer the company could make, but it would appear, at least from the voting numbers, that they were way off on what the pilot group wanted and not the dollar values.
I agree that the group has to be ok with working under their current contract for some time to come to make this gamble.
You are wrong way more often then you think you are, just not often with union related stuff. But that's not material to this discussion.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
And yet, their rhetoric spread like wildfire and was instrumental in defeating the TA, along with the Facebook groups. Whether you consider that good or bad, it is true. Social media is changing how unions have to deal with TAs. It's much different today even when compared to just a few years ago.
Which is irrelevant, since a TA is virtually always the first proposal that the rank and file see.
If what the pilot group "wants" is not compatible with what is achievable, then they're in for a rude awakening.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and this works out well for them. I just seriously doubt it. I predict 3+ years to another TA.