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MikeD said:
Skywest planes may say "Delta" on the side, but at the end of the day those aren't Delta pilots and it's not a Delta paycheck, as you well know having come up through.
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The other issue is that a RVS pilot could go a UA turn followed by a AE turn, a DH and a DL overnight. I know on our side we (FO) make the call before TO to welcome and to get the FA seated.
 
Cptnchia said:
Riiight. So the one troll who doesn't work at Delta is gonna ask the other troll* who doesn't work at Delta what the Delta guys think. Let's just completely ignore the Input from the guys here who are Delta pilots and have these conversations all the time in the lounge and in flight.

* Add to that the troll who only associated with DALPA types who are so far removed from the membership that they are clueless to what the line guys think and want. Yeah, that's who I'm gonna believe.
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Who is trolling here? I just took what you said in post 457 here....

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/latest-eagle-aip-rejected.193845/page-23#post-2239824

Cptnchia said:
Let's put it this way, if the DALPA MEC tried to help them (Comair), the rank and file would have mutinied and strung em up like Mussolini was.
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Did someone hack your account and posted that? Or are you trolling?

Oh, btw, I am leaving out what role @ATN_Pilot had with all of this...
 
That is how I felt. I was one of the affected pilots. I was also in the minority. Since posting that, I have since discovered that the vast majority of pilots above my seniority who were not affected and those hired post furlough really don't care one way or another.
 
MikeD said:
While I agree in principle. Would you work beyond what you are contracted or directed to do?
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Yes. I did all the time. Hell, I could have just showed up to the airplane, slammed the cockpit door shut, and never spoken to a single person except for required briefings all day, and technically been in compliance with the FOM and CBA. But I wouldn't do that, obviously, because it's not very professional. There's a handset up in the cockpit connected to the PA for a reason. Use it. The people in the back pay your damned salary!

Cptnchia said:
Riiight. So the one troll who doesn't work at Delta is gonna ask the other troll* who doesn't work at Delta what the Delta guys think. Let's just completely ignore the Input from the guys here who are Delta pilots and have these conversations all the time in the lounge and in flight.

* Add to that the troll who only associated with DALPA types who are so far removed from the membership that they are clueless to what the line guys think and want. Yeah, that's who I'm gonna believe.
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Those two "trolls" were both national officers at the time, one of whom (me) represented the Comair pilots as their EVP. And while I know you think being a regular 'ole line pilot is next to God and being a union rep is practically evil, the reality is that the guys who are in DALPA leadership positions are the ones who can effect change, so their statements and actions are the ones relevant to this conversation, not the statements of the people who move airplanes from point A to point B and have probably never even been to an MEC meeting in their lives.

Now, go ahead and do your usual bitching about how I'm such a condescending prick.
 
BobDDuck said:
Because one thing is "customer service" and the other is doing someone's (potentially union protected) job as well as risking a non worker's comp covered injury.
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And there's nothing wrong with doing either, or doing neither. If nothing is spelled out specifically on how or if to do them.
 
@MikeD your Air Force mentality is showing through in this thread.

Think like a Navy guy.

BTW, once again, PAs are very clearly spelled out in the FOMs.
 
Seggy said:
@MikeD your Air Force mentality is showing through in this thread.

Think like a Navy guy.

BTW, once again, PAs are very clearly spelled out in the FOMs.
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And that's fine. If PAs are required, do them. That's not in question.

What I'm arguing is that just because someone doesn't do a specific "welcome aboard" PA, doesn't make them unprofessional; so long as they do accomplish any other required PAs. And even then, what they do in their specific PAs (if there's no directed content or items to cover), is purely up to the individual, no? Or am I out to lunch here?
 
MikeD said:
And that's fine. If PAs are required, do them. That's not in question.

What I'm arguing is that just because someone doesn't do a specific "welcome aboard" PA, doesn't make them unprofessional; so long as they do accomplish any other required PAs. And even then, what they do in their specific PAs (if there's no directed content or items to cover), is purely up to the individual, no? Or am I out to lunch here?
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You are out to lunch.
 
MikeD said:
And that's fine. If PAs are required, do them. That's not in question.

What I'm arguing is that just because someone doesn't do a specific "welcome aboard" PA, doesn't make them unprofessional; so long as they do accomplish any other required PAs. And even then, what they do in their specific PAs (if there's no directed content or items to cover), is purely up to the individual, no? Or am I out to lunch here?
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Mike, this isn't the border patrol, it's a customer service operation. Should a guy be fired for not making a friendly welcome aboard PA? No. But is it disrespectful to the paying customers and therefore unprofessional? Yeah, pretty much.

Ask yourself this: if you were asked in an interview whether you make welcome aboard PAs, what do you think the interviewer wants to hear?
 
I just checked again...the two pages that talk about announcements including a paragraph devoted the 'Welcome Announcement' are still in my FOM. Wasn't changed in the last revision. This is on top of the customer service directives being put out recently. As a matter of fact, the first sentence in the FOM section devoted to this states....

"Proper use of the PA system creates a professional image."
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Mike, this isn't the border patrol, it's a customer service operation. Should a guy be fired for not making a friendly welcome aboard PA? No. But is it disrespectful to the paying customers and therefore unprofessional? Yeah, pretty much.

Ask yourself this: if you were asked in an interview whether you make welcome aboard PAs, what do you think the interviewer wants to hear?
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Has nothing to do with BP. Customer service is everywhere. From the McDonlads manager to the airline pilot, and tons of places inbetween.

I get that you hold the opinion that a lack of a welcome aboard PA is unprofessional. And you or anyone is entitled to that opinion. But I would argue that in this business, one's job as a pilot is first and foremost, and customer service an immediate second. Sure, any PA is nice (or required, depending on the operation), and I can't think of an airline flight I've ever been on where no PA from the front office was ever made at all. However I have been on flights where there was no specific "welcome aboard" PA (stated as such or something related), but there were the standard informational PAs from the flight deck ("from the flight deck, flying time will be XX to XX destination, WX is expected to be blah blah, sit back, enjoy the ride, etc); and that didn't seem unusual or unprofessional. Are those the PAs you're referencing?

Are you talking a flight where no PAs are required, and none are thus ever given to the pax, of any kind (aside from safety briefs)? Just to make sure we're not talking past one another here. Because if you're referring to that, I can't think of a flight I've ever been on where the front office was completely silent and never gave any kind of PA.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Ask yourself this: if you were asked in an interview whether you make welcome aboard PAs, what do you think the interviewer wants to hear?
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I try not to worry about what they want to hear, in terms of trying to "game" the interview, as most places will see right through that. My answer would be, I do them if required, no problem at all.

Just like the whole hat thing. I find hats for airline pilots to be wholly impractical: can't wear them on flightline as they're FOD, shouldn't wear them in terminal because wearing a hat indoors is generally considered bad manners. So where to wear them? However, all that aside, if I choose to work at a place that has hat as a required part of the uniform, then hat-wearer I become. I'm the one that chose to work there, no one put a gun to my head. And the company hired me expecting me to follow their directives.

So if asked "do you (would you) wear a hat as an airline pilot?" (assuming for a minute I was former 121 and interviewing again), the answer would be "never have, as they weren't a uniform item, but if working here I'll happily comply with the uniform requirements, hat included." I think that's a fair answer.

Now........expect me to wear short-sleeve shirt WITH tie........now we've got a problem. A fashion problem. :D
 
BobDDuck said:
Because most airlines only cover for job requirements. Throwing bags isn't a job requirement for pilots and as such, even though they are "at work" they wouldn't necessarily be covered as a OJI. I handled about 3 cases like this doing grievance work at my previous gig and we went 1 for 3 in getting coverage.
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WC is controlled by state law not the employer. The concept is just about everything is covered in exchange for the workers accepting the schedule of payments and rules and giving up the right to sue the employer.

Now there are special rules if they self insure but the concept is the same.
 
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