Delta Psychological Eval Lawsuit?

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Here’s a nice filtering idea:

Actually publish flight time minimums that aren’t a joke.


Every major airline today should require 4,000+ TT and 1,000+ turbine. Exceptions for military folks, eg, 1,500 hrs.

That right here would make a decent dent in those 5k applications. The reason the big 3 have 10,000+ applications is because the published minimums are just ATP and 1,000 hrs turbine SIC. That means anyone at a region for ~18 months is qualified mins.



Btw, congrats on getting hired!
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How else are you going to get those chief pilots kids and 2 young daughters onboard?! ;)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That’s precisely why the mins are the currently published bare mins. It allows those types to get hired on quickly.
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Life is unfair. It downright sucks sometimes. Trust me, I know as a black, gay dude. But why spend time perseverating about things that are completely out of your control? Instead, worry about the things that you can control, instead of always looking over your shoulder at the special entitlement/treatment that so and so got. Because they're white, or a female. Or the CEO's, or the Chief pilot's kids.
 
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Maximillian_Jenius said:
Life is unfair. It downright sucks sometimes. Trust me, I know as a black gay dude. But why spend time perseverating about things that are completely out of your control? Instead, worry about the things that you can control, instead of always looking over your shoulder at the special entitlement/treatment that so and so got. Because they're white, or a female. Or the CEO's, or the Chief pilot's kids.
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In fact, my solemn belief is "that's great for them!"

Life isn't a zero-sum game, others doing well doesn't mean I won't be able to do well too.
 
ppragman said:
In fact, my solemn belief is "that's great for them!"

Life isn't a zero-sum game, others doing well doesn't mean I won't be able to do well too.
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Agreed. Also, but not in every case those types that are entitled and have always had it easy. Usually can't hack adversity pretty well and are very ill-suited to it. Like a sailor that has never experienced rough seas. It's awesome to be on the benefiting end of nepotism at times. But someone who has to earn it by working 2x's harder than the next guy/girl, or the guy/girl with an entitlement complex. IMO makes you a more well-rounded, stronger person and candidate in the longer run.
 
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Maximillian_Jenius said:
Life is unfair. It downright sucks sometimes. Trust me, I know as a black gay dude. But why spend time perseverating about things that are completely out of your control? Instead, worry about the things that you can control, instead of always looking over your shoulder at the special entitlement/treatment that so and so got. Because they're white, or a female. Or the CEO's, or the Chief pilot's kids.
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I’ve been on the receiving end of “that” too. I was told once the only reason I got hired when I did without TPIC is because I wasn’t white and checked the diversity box. Pilots will be pilots.

I don’t hold it against anyone for getting hired and taking advantage of any opportunity or opportunities presented to them.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’ve been on the receiving end of “that” too. I was told once the only reason I got hired when I did without TPIC is because I wasn’t white and checked the diversity box. Pilots will be pilots.

I don’t hold it against anyone for getting hired and taking advantage of any opportunity or opportunities presented to them.
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If there is ever an industry that needs an injection of diversity, this is it.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
If there is ever an industry that needs an injection of diversity, this is it.
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True story off the press today:

So I checkin for my reserve trip today. I see a FO I flew with in NY. He tells me he was just in the pilot lounge (that’s a separate pilot-only place away from the checkin room). At any given time there’s only like 5 or 6 guys in the pilot lounge. This FO and another FO he met both speak Spanish, the FO I flew with was from Puerto Rico. Not sure where the other FO was originally from. But anyway, these guys run into each other in the pilot lounge and start conversing in Spanish. Not loud, just conversational, nothing out of the ordinary.

A Captain comes up to them and says excuse me, “don’t you think you’re being rude speaking Spanish to each other? Do you think that’s appropriate? There’s other pilots here and all I know you could be talking about us behind our back.”

I kid you not. I know the FO, I don’t have a reason to doubt him. Being a nice FO he just said he didn’t mean to be rude and was just talking family stuff, and not about any pilot. The CA left them, but before walking away said that if he could speak French he wouldn’t speak French here because it’s rude.

Both FOs left the lounge because they didn’t feel comfortable.


The nerve of some pilots! People speak different languages. And come from different backgrounds. Oh the horror! These incidents would happen less the more diverse we get as a pilot group. It sucks it happens though.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
True story off the press today:

So I checkin for my reserve trip today. I see a FO I flew with in NY. He tells me he was just in the pilot lounge (that’s a separate pilot-only place away from the checkin room). At any given time there’s only like 5 or 6 guys in the pilot lounge. This FO and another FO he met both speak Spanish, the FO I flew with was from Puerto Rico. Not sure where the other FO was originally from. But anyway, these guys run into each other in the pilot lounge and start conversing in Spanish. Not loud, just conversational, nothing out of the ordinary.

A Captain comes up to them and says excuse me, “don’t you think you’re being rude speaking Spanish to each other? Do you think that’s appropriate? There’s other pilots here and all I know you could be talking about us behind our back.”

I kid you not. I know the FO, I don’t have a reason to doubt him. Being a nice FO he just said he didn’t mean to be rude and was just talking family stuff, and not about any pilot. The CA left them, but before walking away said that if he could speak French he wouldn’t speak French here because it’s rude.

Both FOs left the lounge because they didn’t feel comfortable.


The nerve of some pilots! People speak different languages. And come from different backgrounds. Oh the horror! These incidents would happen less the more diverse we get as a pilot group. It sucks it happens though.
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There was a guy that @Richman and I know that’s older, nearing retirement and probably would be right in line with the “that’s rude” captain.

So I’m talking to my friend who is a pilot from Haiti and “that guy” walks into the room, so I transition to broken French and he follows my lead. Captain “We Speak MERKIN!” Is just standing there, mouth agape and I ended our conversation with the crossed arms and said “Wakanda Forever” and Captain “We Speak MERKIN” walks up to me and says, “I thought you were from uhh, Ummmerka”

“Yeah, I am, but it’s a local tribal dialect”

I look for opportunities to poke the bear.

@SpiceWeasel - The “author”... You know who i’m Talking about!
 
ppragman said:
In fact, my solemn belief is "that's great for them!"

Life isn't a zero-sum game, others doing well doesn't mean I won't be able to do well too.
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I wasn’t super stoked when I was beating my head against the wall to move on with zero results, while I had several FOs with minimal experience moving on to legacies. It really was frustrating, and I wasn’t whistling dixie think “Gee, that’s great for them!”.

That said, I did what I had to do and finally I got a chance. But I get it when people that are truly working their butts off are getting frustrated by ambiguous hiring processes.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
If there is ever an industry that needs an injection of diversity, this is it.
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I agree. But i sure wish it was about the best qualified candidate (personality included), with race/gender/name deidentified. Young people that face adverse financial backgrounds should absolutely receive educational opportunities, that way they can also become qualified and competitive.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
True story off the press today:

So I checkin for my reserve trip today. I see a FO I flew with in NY. He tells me he was just in the pilot lounge (that’s a separate pilot-only place away from the checkin room). At any given time there’s only like 5 or 6 guys in the pilot lounge. This FO and another FO he met both speak Spanish, the FO I flew with was from Puerto Rico. Not sure where the other FO was originally from. But anyway, these guys run into each other in the pilot lounge and start conversing in Spanish. Not loud, just conversational, nothing out of the ordinary.

A Captain comes up to them and says excuse me, “don’t you think you’re being rude speaking Spanish to each other? Do you think that’s appropriate? There’s other pilots here and all I know you could be talking about us behind our back.”

I kid you not. I know the FO, I don’t have a reason to doubt him. Being a nice FO he just said he didn’t mean to be rude and was just talking family stuff, and not about any pilot. The CA left them, but before walking away said that if he could speak French he wouldn’t speak French here because it’s rude.

Both FOs left the lounge because they didn’t feel comfortable.


The nerve of some pilots! People speak different languages. And come from different backgrounds. Oh the horror! These incidents would happen less the more diverse we get as a pilot group. It sucks it happens though.
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What's funny is that most people don't compute that Spanish is actually a European language. Cause' it comes from Spain. They just associate it with brown people. I often, unfortunately, blow people's mind and remind them that Spanish is actually a white/European language.

If two blonde/blue pilots were speaking Catalan Spanish, the dude in your example probably wouldn't have said anything.

Also, F that racist guy! If I were the FO's speaking Spanish, I wouldn't have felt uncomfortable, and I wouldn't have left.
 
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Someone speaking Danish: “Oh yes, I’m glad ferners have discovered the joy of Waffle House here!”
Someone speaking Spanish: “Hay! We speak MERKIN round here!”

We have a family friend from Spain and one of our other friends who didn’t travel much and basically Las Vegas is like traveling to another country literally said “He’s from Spain? But he’s got blond hair and green eyes”

“Uhh, he’s European.”
 
GypsyPilot said:
I wasn’t super stoked when I was beating my head against the wall to move on with zero results, while I had several FOs with minimal experience moving on to legacies. It really was frustrating, and I wasn’t whistling dixie think “Gee, that’s great for them!”.

That said, I did what I had to do and finally I got a chance. But I get it when people that are truly working their butts off are getting frustrated by ambiguous hiring processes.
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Can you change it? No. So be happy for the folks who "make" it and keep hustling. You'll get your chance or you won't, if you don't will your life have been better if you were bitter about not getting a chance? Almost certainly not.

I get that feeling, there are lots of people I've worked with who've gone on to bigger and better things than me, and it was frustrating, especially when I'd see people with less experience or whatever get hired to do jobs I was probably more qualified for (and that I applied to), but along the way I have learned that life doesn't necessarily give you back what you put into it. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. You're not necessarily rewarded for hard work, and sometimes people are rewarded for laziness. In short, sometimes • ain't fair.

My attitude about my success or failure is about the only thing I can control all things being equal. Enjoy the ride, try to make someone laugh or smile every day and if you want to do something different/better keep trying and don't give up. What else can you do? But bitterness only hurts you.
 
Derg said:
Someone speaking Danish: “Oh yes, I’m glad ferners have discovered the joy of Waffle House here!”
Someone speaking Spanish: “Hay! We speak MERKIN round here!”

We have a family friend from Spain and one of our other friends who didn’t travel much and basically Las Vegas is like traveling to another country literally said “He’s from Spain? But he’s got blond hair and green eyes”

“Uhh, he’s European.”
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Sometimes, its even Hispanic people that I have to educate about Spanish.

"I'm speaking Mexican. Nope, you're speaking Spanish. A language originally from Europe. See, Christopher Columbus came from Spain. The Spaniards had sex with the Indians and that's how the Mestizo people or the Mexican race (you) was created.

I typically am only rewarded with dead eyes staring back at me. Idiots. Don't even know your own history.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
True story off the press today:

So I checkin for my reserve trip today. I see a FO I flew with in NY. He tells me he was just in the pilot lounge (that’s a separate pilot-only place away from the checkin room). At any given time there’s only like 5 or 6 guys in the pilot lounge. This FO and another FO he met both speak Spanish, the FO I flew with was from Puerto Rico. Not sure where the other FO was originally from. But anyway, these guys run into each other in the pilot lounge and start conversing in Spanish. Not loud, just conversational, nothing out of the ordinary.

A Captain comes up to them and says excuse me, “don’t you think you’re being rude speaking Spanish to each other? Do you think that’s appropriate? There’s other pilots here and all I know you could be talking about us behind our back.”

I kid you not. I know the FO, I don’t have a reason to doubt him. Being a nice FO he just said he didn’t mean to be rude and was just talking family stuff, and not about any pilot. The CA left them, but before walking away said that if he could speak French he wouldn’t speak French here because it’s rude.

Both FOs left the lounge because they didn’t feel comfortable.


The nerve of some pilots! People speak different languages. And come from different backgrounds. Oh the horror! These incidents would happen less the more diverse we get as a pilot group. It sucks it happens though.
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Geeze. Yeah, that is freaking lame. We can all hazard a guess that the CA in this story:

1)Has a high number of bid avoids.
2)Probably has multiple divorces and children that don’t talk to him. Totally not his fault though!
3)Watches lots of Fox News.
 
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