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So it looks Anderson will be playing each airline against each other.
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So it looks Anderson will be playing each airline against each other.
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Delta/NWA/United merger
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Velocipede
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UAL/DAL would have serious DoJ problems. NWA/DAL is a possibility. However, when the merger talk starts, its the ones you never hear about in advance that actually happen.
This publicity sounds like a smoke screen to me.
This publicity sounds like a smoke screen to me.
kellwolf
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Velocipede
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All I can tell you is that every other merger I've ever heard of came out of the blue one morning. NONE had a month long publicity buildup.
WestIndian425
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He's right there. That AWA/USAirways came out of nowhere. Another one is the "pseudo" NWA/Midwest while everyone was focused on Air Tran/Midwest
WalterSobchak
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Talk around NWA corporate is about the merger not a merger. NWA wants to be bought. From a fleet stand point the DAL/UAL makes more sense than NWA. I hope the mergers don't happen and we get some for of regulation back, but it won't happen.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Not all the time. I actually heard rumblings of the Colgan buy-out about a week before it actually happened. I got a good chuckle out of it.....until it happened.
And yeah. Steenland has more or less said NWA wants to be bought, not merged. Not sure what that means for us since they "merger" clause in our ASA with NWA only had stipluations for when NWA was in bankruptcy (they could take the 17 they were giving us, which are now at Mesaba anyway, plus another 24 but that was the max), but now that NWA is out of the sham bankruptcy there's not really any kind of contract language.
wheelsup
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Who remembers the brochure NWA corporate put out encouraging employees to dumpster dive in order to save money after their pay cuts? What an absolutely %$#@box of a company. I hope they get bought out too, how can someone work under management that does something like that?
Velocipede
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Actually, neither make sense from a fleet standpoint. All those Airbii on both properties have zero commonality with Delta. I wish I could find it, but I read a report in the last couple days that indicates fleet commonality with NWA was about 20%. And it was only marginally higher with UAL.
SeanD
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I know someone flying for NWA who has 9 years seniority. If a merger with Delta happens. Does he lose the seniority if he were to take an FO slot on the ER or 76/75 domestic at Delta? Im curious on how a merger would effect the NWA pilot group minus the obvious elimination of current NWA management which of course would be a benefit for them.
Velocipede
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It all depends on how the merger committees negotiate the merged seniority list. Since both companies have widebodies and international flying, a DoH merger would make sense. Essentially take all the names, and sort them by Date of Hire.
The problem is when pilot egos get involved. Let's say Delta buys NWA outright. Then the Delta guys would say, "We acquired you, so you go to the bottom of the list." That's what CAL did to the People Express guys. They gave the Capts. they needed to fly the PE jets DoH and stapled all the rest of the pilots to the bottom of the list.
Then you could see a NWA/Republic deal. The largest plane Republic flew was the 757. So, the NWA pukes put "fences" around all their widebody flying, saying Republic pilots had no career expectation of flying widebodies, so they were proscribed from ever holding a "NWA" widebody seat.
Personally, it just goes to show the current ALPA merger/frag policy is a joke. Need evidence? Just wander over to the ALPA National webboard and watch the monkeys involved in the AWA/AAA merger sling stool at each other.
My opinion? The ALPA merger/frag policy should have two lines:
1. No bump and flush.
2. Merged seniority list sorted by ALPA number.
Period, end of story.
That's how real Unions work. Of course, we're an "Association" so that may be too much to hope for.
The problem is when pilot egos get involved. Let's say Delta buys NWA outright. Then the Delta guys would say, "We acquired you, so you go to the bottom of the list." That's what CAL did to the People Express guys. They gave the Capts. they needed to fly the PE jets DoH and stapled all the rest of the pilots to the bottom of the list.
Then you could see a NWA/Republic deal. The largest plane Republic flew was the 757. So, the NWA pukes put "fences" around all their widebody flying, saying Republic pilots had no career expectation of flying widebodies, so they were proscribed from ever holding a "NWA" widebody seat.
Personally, it just goes to show the current ALPA merger/frag policy is a joke. Need evidence? Just wander over to the ALPA National webboard and watch the monkeys involved in the AWA/AAA merger sling stool at each other.
My opinion? The ALPA merger/frag policy should have two lines:
1. No bump and flush.
2. Merged seniority list sorted by ALPA number.
Period, end of story.
That's how real Unions work. Of course, we're an "Association" so that may be too much to hope for.
Minnesota_Flyer
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"bump and flush"?
Velocipede
New Member
"No bump and flush" means that you remain in your premerger crew position until YOU elect to bid out of it.
Every subsequent opening to the merger would be open for system wide bid, so let's say a NWA pilot who lives in Atlanta bids and is awarded an ATL position. His position would become vacant so a DAL pilot who lives in MSP could be awarded MSP. But nobody would be forced out of their current position unless they elected to move.
Every subsequent opening to the merger would be open for system wide bid, so let's say a NWA pilot who lives in Atlanta bids and is awarded an ATL position. His position would become vacant so a DAL pilot who lives in MSP could be awarded MSP. But nobody would be forced out of their current position unless they elected to move.
Chris_Ford
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UAL will not merge with DAL. I don't know how many times I have to say this. My source is 100% unequivocally correct on this.
But let's start 5 more threads about it, because Reuters has something to say!!!
Idiots.
But let's start 5 more threads about it, because Reuters has something to say!!!
Idiots.
Chris_Ford
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You know that you can never reveal a good source. People have gone to jail for it
Let's just say that he is *high* up on the list. Not involved at all on the flight ops side of things, just the business side. Works in the 77 Wacker office.
Screaming_Emu
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Oh damn, I thought they were, but since YOU said they aren't, now I believe it!.....
WalterSobchak
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NWA ------------------UAL------------------------ DAL
747-400: 16-------- 747-400: 30---------------- 777: 8
747-200: 2 ---------777-200: 52 ----------767-400ER: 21
747-200F: 13 ------767-300: 35---------- 767-300ER: 60
A330-300: 21 ----------757: 97------------- 767-300: 20
A330-200: 11-- 737-300/-500: 94------------- 757: 136
757-300: 16 -----------A320: 97--------------- MD90: 16
757-200: 56 ------------A319: 55-------------- MD88: 120
A320: 75 -------------737-800: 71
A319: 66
DC9: 115
72/391 18% ---------278/460 60%
I hardly call UAL fleet marginally more compatible.
