Delta/NWA/United merger

Velocipede said:
It all depends on how the merger committees negotiate the merged seniority list. Since both companies have widebodies and international flying, a DoH merger would make sense. Essentially take all the names, and sort them by Date of Hire.
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How does that make sense? It never has in any other seniority list merger.

The problem is when pilot egos get involved. Let's say Delta buys NWA outright. Then the Delta guys would say, "We acquired you, so you go to the bottom of the list."
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How do you know they would say that? They never have in any other acquisition Delta made.


That's what CAL did to the People Express guys. They gave the Capts. they needed to fly the PE jets DoH and stapled all the rest of the pilots to the bottom of the list.
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That's what CAL management did to the People Express guys. And because that was the case it was overturned in court, something that never happens to lists put through the ALPA process.

Then you could see a NWA/Republic deal. The largest plane Republic flew was the 757. So, the NWA pukes put "fences" around all their widebody flying, saying Republic pilots had no career expectation of flying widebodies, so they were proscribed from ever holding a "NWA" widebody seat.
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Agree that the attitude of the NWA pilots was ridiculous in that list merger. And the payoff was years of acrimony still going on today.

Personally, it just goes to show the current ALPA merger/frag policy is a joke. Need evidence?
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Just try to find a case of an ALPA list merger being overturned by a court. Never happens. The judge looks at the arguments then looks at the process and says something like, "There doesn't seem to be a perfectly fair way to merge a list, but this was a good-faith effort so I'm letting it stand."



My opinion? The ALPA merger/frag policy should have two lines:

2. Merged seniority list sorted by ALPA number.
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I think this method could actually result in gunplay in the pilot's lounge or the cockpit.
 
Sorry, Walt, you're right. I just forgot the numbers that were cited. But, I also think Chris is right. It won't be UAL for DoJ reasons.
 
Velocipede said:
Sorry, Walt, you're right. I just forgot the numbers that were cited. But, I also think Chris is right. It won't be UAL for DoJ reasons.
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Unless they do some slicing and dicing of the companies to satisfy DOJ. Probably the most scary option and one that employee groups would shut it down over.

I think due to recent history...management knows they need labor buy in for it to work.
 
some recent info being played out in the press here that may play into the big picture:

....Northwest currently leases 101 gates at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, with 22 leased through 2015 and 79 leased through 2020.

MAC spokesman Patrick Hogan said that lease terms require Northwest to maintain its headquarters and hub in Minnesota. If the carrier doesn't meet those conditions, Hogan said, the airline would forfeit a rent reduction, valued at $68 million over the life of a lease, and Northwest's share of airport concessions, which have an estimated value of $147 million through 2020.

In addition, Hogan said, another agreement requires Northwest to immediately pay $245 million in bond debt if it fails to keep its hub and headquarters in the Twin Cities.
Northwest spokeswoman Tammy Lee said the airline wants to work with Pawlenty "to make sure that the state's air transportation needs are met." She noted that the state and Northwest have had a "long history of cooperation that has produced important economic benefits."


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Rumor across the tracks on 123.45 was slicing and dicing UAL, giving Europe to NWA and part of the east coast feed and giving the Pacific and the west coast feed to DAL.

But you know how rumors on the tracks are.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Rumor across the tracks on 123.45 was slicing and dicing UAL, giving Europe to NWA and part of the east coast feed and giving the Pacific and the west coast feed to DAL.

But you know how rumors on the tracks are.
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Like high school girls gossiping about the prom?
 
Ehh, finally got to the train station, figured it was going to be a 2 hour train ride and a bus so I told the group, "See ya!" Went and did the touristy thing, back for a short break and then back out.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Ehh, finally got to the train station, figured it was going to be a 2 hour train ride and a bus so I told the group, "See ya!" Went and did the touristy thing, back for a short break and then back out.
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what's that? slashing tires on vespa's.... vrrrooom, vrrroooom!
 
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