Delta Flowthroughs and 35% ALPA DCI Hires

Cav said:
Please don't take this the wrong way but if that is your feeling then you've already lost the battle for any interview. The Delta interview can be prepared for just like any other. If you do the research and the prep work it's entirely doable. You do what you can beforehand and then show up with a clear conscience and let the chips fall as they may. For that reason my Delta interview was no more difficult or stressful than my XJT interview or my NWA interview. Don't buy into the flight deck gossip that XYZ interview is harder than any other therefore you shouldn't apply. They're all challenging and stressful to some degree but often for different reasons. It's how you prepare that helps you manage the stress. If you do that part WELL you'll find yourself actually enjoying the process.

Be the guy who pursues and capitalizes on opportunity not the guy who is complaining to his FO 10 years down the road about the African American female former intern RJ FO "that he once knew and flew with" who got hired by mainline before upgrading. Those guys are quite possibly the biggest POS's in this business. I'll guarantee you if you dig enough said captain 1) made up the FO he was complaining about and 2) never even bothered applying to any airlines...was it fear or laziness? Either way don't listen to him for career advice!
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Kevin
 
Cav said:
Please don't take this the wrong way but if that is your feeling then you've already lost the battle for any interview. The Delta interview can be prepared for just like any other. If you do the research and the prep work it's entirely doable. You do what you can beforehand and then show up with a clear conscience and let the chips fall as they may. For that reason my Delta interview was no more difficult or stressful than my XJT interview or my NWA interview. Don't buy into the flight deck gossip that XYZ interview is harder than any other therefore you shouldn't apply. They're all challenging and stressful to some degree but often for different reasons. It's how you prepare that helps you manage the stress. If you do that part WELL you'll find yourself actually enjoying the process.

Be the guy who pursues and capitalizes on opportunity not the guy who is complaining to his FO 10 years down the road about the African American female former intern RJ FO "that he once knew and flew with" who got hired by mainline before upgrading. Those guys are quite possibly the biggest POS's in this business. I'll guarantee you if you dig enough said captain 1) made up the FO he was complaining about and 2) never even bothered applying to any airlines...was it fear or laziness? Either way don't listen to him for career advice!
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My understanding is that the 35% ALPA DCI newhires in the new agreement is only if they can do it in accordance with their diversity hiring practices. Yeah that captain probably failed an interview (flown with plenty of them), but that doesn't make any of us feel any better about going into an interview where "Boy, they called you because they want to fill the 35% but if you don't check the box tough luck.
 
Cav said:
Please don't take this the wrong way but if that is your feeling then you've already lost the battle for any interview. The Delta interview can be prepared for just like any other. If you do the research and the prep work it's entirely doable. You do what you can beforehand and then show up with a clear conscience and let the chips fall as they may. For that reason my Delta interview was no more difficult or stressful than my XJT interview or my NWA interview. Don't buy into the flight deck gossip that XYZ interview is harder than any other therefore you shouldn't apply. They're all challenging and stressful to some degree but often for different reasons. It's how you prepare that helps you manage the stress. If you do that part WELL you'll find yourself actually enjoying the process.

Be the guy who pursues and capitalizes on opportunity not the guy who is complaining to his FO 10 years down the road about the African American female former intern RJ FO "that he once knew and flew with" who got hired by mainline before upgrading. Those guys are quite possibly the biggest POS's in this business. I'll guarantee you if you dig enough said captain 1) made up the FO he was complaining about and 2) never even bothered applying to any airlines...was it fear or laziness? Either way don't listen to him for career advice!
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Well said!
 
So does this mean that it would be preferable to jump to a "delta, operated by" side of one's house sooner rather than later, for when the hiring starts again? Or not jump on anything...
 
I doubt it. Being well connected to people already at Delta is going to be your best chance of going to the interview. I base that on what Delta pilots here have already said in the past.
 
hemaybedid said:
My understanding is that the 35% ALPA DCI newhires in the new agreement is only if they can do it in accordance with their diversity hiring practices. Yeah that captain probably failed an interview (flown with plenty of them), but that doesn't make any of us feel any better about going into an interview where "Boy, they called you because they want to fill the 35% but if you don't check the box tough luck.
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Can you qualify this statement or is it "stuff I heard on the line from a butt-hurt pilot who didn't get hired"?
 
sorrygottarunway said:
So does this mean that it would be preferable to jump to a "delta, operated by" side of one's house sooner rather than later, for when the hiring starts again? Or not jump on anything...
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Absolutely not in my opinion. Like myself and others have mentioned, this 35% statistic is window dressing and a waste of ink in our contract. Don't read too much into it.
 
Derg said:
Can you qualify this statement or is it "stuff I heard on the line from a butt-hurt pilot who didn't get hired"?
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Was thinking the same. I've never heard of Southernjet's "diversity hiring practices." Sure they recruit from OBAP, WIA, etc but no more than they do from any other source of qualified candidates. The idea that some people are told to "sign here and you're in!" makes for good excuses for said butt-hurt pilot but is not supported by reality.
 
Knowing the people behind the system and knowing the process, they're not going to call unless they fully intend on hiring you. The idea that they're going to call just to check a box is absurd and reeks of the butt-hurtedness of what I heard when I worked for a regional and heard loads of stuff like this:

"United won't call"

"Why?"

"I'm not a woman, they only hire women. I have a millionty hours"

"Did you apply?"

"Why would I apply because they only hire women."

"I'll bet the women applied"

"Yeah, but I ain't"

"Hrmm.... mm'kay..."

(my parentethical thought bubble: "Maybe he saved the application fee and United spared the hassle of exposing themselves to a rotten attitude they didn't want on the seniority list")
 
Derg said:
Knowing the people behind the system and knowing the process, they're not going to call unless they fully intend on hiring you. The idea that they're going to call just to check a box is absurd and reeks of the butt-hurtedness of what I heard when I worked for a regional and heard loads of stuff like this:

"United won't call"

"Why?"

"I'm not a woman, they only hire women. I have a millionty hours"

"Did you apply?"

"Why would I apply because they only hire women."

"I'll bet the women applied"

"Yeah, but I ain't"

"Hrmm.... mm'kay..."

(my parentethical thought bubble: "Maybe he saved the application fee and United spared the hassle of exposing themselves to a rotten attitude they didn't want on the seniority list")
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Doug, stopping making a logical thought process. you should know better.... :-)
 
Derg said:
Can you qualify this statement or is it "stuff I heard on the line from a butt-hurt pilot who didn't get hired"?
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I always find it amusing that most of the people that are like "well when I get on at Delta" like it is a certainty:

A) Haven't applied
B) Have an attitude or ability deficiency that will probably keep them in their current position for a long time.
 
JEP said:
Doug, stopping making a logical thought process. you should know better.... :)
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Just been in the business far too long and heard far too many people get themselves spun up.

My airline has had a four-year degree requirement since antiquity, but there were still people at Skyway who were in junior high school when they got the flying bug, blew off college and found themselves in the mid-20's, sans bachelors degree, bitter because even with a millionty hours, minimum qualifications are minimum qualifications.

No one's fault but you own when it comes to failing to prepare yourself to reach your own goals. It wasn't like they didn't have plenty of advance notice.
 
Derg said:
Can you qualify this statement or is it "stuff I heard on the line from a butt-hurt pilot who didn't get hired"?
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My post was quoted from a post by a Delta pilot on another forum. I don't know why my statement would need to be qualified either way. Every large corporation in the country has diversity hiring practises. Here's a link to Delta's explanation of their diversity policy http://www.deltajobs.net/our_global_reach.htm

I would explain my position further, but it's obvious by your initial response that you're not open to hearing it.
 
hemaybedid said:
My post was quoted from a post by a Delta pilot on another forum. I don't know why my statement would need to be qualified either way. Every large corporation in the country has diversity hiring practises. Here's a link to Delta's explanation of their diversity policy http://www.deltajobs.net/our_global_reach.htm

I would explain my position further, but it's obvious by your initial response that you're not open to hearing it.
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Nah, I just happen to work there, have first-hand work experience with Delta's Manager of Pilot Selection and know that's not how it works.

My paystub says "Delta Air Lines, Inc", but the other guy that said that could be a basement-dwelling 14 year old for all we know.

I'd be more than willing to call the office in Atlanta, after lunch of course, to clarify if you'd like.
 
Derg said:
Nah, I just happen to work there, have first-hand work experience with Delta's Manager of Pilot Selection and know that's not how it works.

My paystub says "Delta Air Lines, Inc", but the other guy that said that could be a basement-dwelling 14 year old for all we know.

I'd be more than willing to call the office in Atlanta, after lunch of course, to clarify if you'd like.
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It seems like you think I'm saying something that I have not. I don't have access to Delta's new agreement, however, a source claiming they were from Delta quoted the section about the 35% DCI hiring. It looked legit to me. If you want, I imagine you could look it up.
 
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