Delta Air Lines Against ATC Privatization

Vector4Food said:
This post is not entirely accurate

You will be paid during the OJT portion of your training... Also the period of training with no pay is longer than six months for IFR stream, it varies per unit,the total IFR training from in the door to qualification is almost two years, again slight variance per unit.

I'm curious where he trained the success rate was that poor, as it would be the first I've heard it ever being that bad, although quite obviously the requirements are stringent.

It's hard for people off the street to believe sometimes, but we work our tails off to get people qualified, but we can't qualify someone because they're a good person, either you meet the standard or you don't. Applicants know this getting in the door.
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IIRC the IFR stream is 12 months no pay, then 35k a year during OJT, and OJT I think is 12 months.

If you do some digging on avcanada you'll find theres a few threads about the high wash-out rate. Of course, some blame its because of OT protection, bad candidates, or its because of a poor training program. One member posted in a few other aviation forums looking to see what the wash-out rate was for FAA, Eurocontrol, etc... It's all here-say but it appears as if NavCanada has the highest wash-out rate anywheres.
 
pianokeys said:
IIRC the IFR stream is 12 months no pay, then 35k a year during OJT, and OJT I think is 12 months.

If you do some digging on avcanada you'll find theres a few threads about the high wash-out rate. Of course, some blame its because of OT protection, bad candidates, or its because of a poor training program. One member posted in a few other aviation forums looking to see what the wash-out rate was for FAA, Eurocontrol, etc... It's all here-say but it appears as if NavCanada has the highest wash-out rate anywheres.
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It varies anywhere from 10 months and upward with no pay. OJT also varies quite a bit

I won't speculate on check out rates, since there's so many factors as to how different ANS' report those numbers
 
genot said:
Amen. One of my coworkers was in the Great White North during the FSS transfer. After transferring to a a Center in the lower 48, FSS called for a clearance. Blah Blah Blah expect flight level whatever blah blah blah. FSS actually asked what he meant by flight level. Long story short after that question he hung up, FSS redialed, repeat the clearance, question and hang up 3 times.

I doubted his story for about 6 months. All it took was trying to call FSS on the dial line to forward a severe icing PIREP during a winter holiday. After two minutes of ringing I called dial line number 2. Two minutes of ringing I called line 3 who picked up. I was actually berated for calling a briefer with a PIREP rather than whomever normally handles the dial lines. My relief showed up during my being chewed out so I hung up and called WXBRIEF on my cell to forward. I've forwarded 3 PIREPS on my phone so far from the break room. That's, uh, that's not good.
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That's because they don't care, don't know what a pirep is or don't know how to enter it - possible all 3. Usually if you give a pirep to lockheed, you'll never see it published. The real FSS people beg for them.
 
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