Decision to make......

I'm glad you stayed with your family.
SJS/ regional life (at least initially) is a single persons game. No pay, no time, and your family takes a back seat. Just not worth it. JMHO.

I dunno about that...I know plenty of people in the regionals who have families. They do fine.

My point is, in this economy, you just can't be too picky if you want to continue flying. Saying "I'm not an airline pilot" isn't really a good excuse unless you have other options (and you've been an airline pilot ;)).
 
Those people with family's, did they start the regional game *after* they had kids? I can't imagine coming home for two or three days every week or two, with a regional starting paycheck. Unless I was independently wealthy, or the spouse had a kickbutt job. (And lots of love and understanding)
 
My old man was the cat's pajamas in his end of aviation. Did a stint flying fighters for the Marines. A bigtime mainline captain gig. Heavy iron. Mad cash. When he medicalled, he got a teaching gig at another airline's training center. Won some awards. When he got cancer, his colleagues covered all his shifts so he wouldn't burn his sick time. One of the last things they asked him to do was to rewrite the procedure manual for one of the largest fleets at the airline. He cast a damned big shadow in his profession.

Before he died... the thing he seemed to lament the most was that he spent a lot of his spare time in his remaining years mourning not flying anymore instead of spending time with his family. As his son, I wish he'd spent a lot less time mourning what he'd lost and realizing what he had.

Your whole family has a stake in how you look at life and the choices you make. That stake will last a lot longer than any job turning gas into noise.
 
Well, if you want to continue flying and not leave your wife and family for a year, you might just have to be. Have you flown for the airlines before?

The airlines would still keep me away from my wife and kids. LAX, the nearest base to me, is very senior, and I more than likely wouldn't be able to hold it for a while(1 year+). I actually just lost out on a seriously good job from a guy who flew for Eagle, based out of LAX. He had to go from a Left seat to right seat to stay in LAX(So he says), so he could be near his family. That leaves me sitting reserve in another state. Sitting reserve and commuting leaves me in a crash pad. Paying for a crash pad puts my wife and kids out of the home they are in right now. Yes, it's that close every month.
 
Does she work? if not, why can't they go with you?

Just about any flying job you have will take you away from your family...
 
Does she work? if not, why can't they go with you?

Just about any flying job you have will take you away from your family...

She does, and with her having a bun in the oven, her health insurance is paramount to the situation right now. So she can't go with me.
 
She does, and with her having a bun in the oven, her health insurance is paramount to the situation right now. So she can't go with me.
don't think I could leave for any reason right now...I never had kids, so I really can't understand, but it is hard enough just leaving my wife and cats for six months out of the year...just keep a good attitude, and continue to network and something will happen
 
At the end of the day, flying airplanes is just a job. After the "newness" of a new job wears off, it will become like all others - simply something you do for money and probably kind of a grind. It also seems as if you put up a few barriers - the "airlines are not for you" and you seem kind of locked in to SoCal (for obvious reasons - health insurance, etc). You also make a statement that if you don't take this job you will most likely be "out of work for a year". This should be corrected to "I will be out of work in a flying job for a year".

Flying is probably more fun than some jobs. Certainly it has advantages to other things and I can see the appeal - but maybe you need to define why it is that you work, and why you long term priorities are. A job is a job - you are selling your time for money - that's all it is. People talk about such foolishness as "being happy at what they do" but if you think about it, that's just silly. Nobody is happy 100% of the time with what they do. Doesn't matter if you are a prostitute or the CEO of Exxon, you're just trading time for money - that's all a job is.

If you are looking to find fulfillment in a job, or looking for "happiness" in a job (or industry sector) I'm afraid you will be disappointed. I have goals, I have things I like to do, and I have priorities that I try to satisfy. I only have 24 hours in a day to accomplish these things, 5 or 6 of which need to be spent sleeping, leaving 18 to 19 hours of productive time per day to accomplish these goals. Incorporate business goals/priority goals into two meals per day (breakfast and lunch meetings five days per week) and you mitigate lost time eating, leaving you 18-19 hours on those days as "productive time". The point is this - I have goals and priorities and I fit my productive time to meet them. I set my own priorities and goals - those belong to me - and then I find a vocation that will allow me to meet them. If you work for someone else, they are going to be setting your goals and priorities for the time you have sold to them - so make damn sure that you are selling that time for an amount that will allow you to meet your personal goals. I'm afraid that many people enjoy flying (for obvious reasons) and many enjoy the lifestyle (different strokes for different folks) and some make the decision based on things like "It is better than being stuck at a desk or in a mechanics bay all day". Those making that decision are not really choosing "for" something - they are choosing "against" something.

Look at your decisions "Strategically" - long term and like a chess game. I see lots of people make decisions "Tactically" - short-term and reactive. You need both kinds of decision making, but one is worthless without the other. Create a strategic plan - where you want to be in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years - and then you can have tactical plans to manage things that come up in the pursuit of your strategy - but always with your end goals in mind. If you don't know where you are going you will never arrive there nor will you be able to manage progress toward that goal. It is my hunch that at the end of the day you will find that family trumps most everything.

EDIT: In short, there would be FAR fewer "decision to make" threads about things if people simply improved their decision making skills - not just the OP, but others. Think of it this way: Questions are asked of the interwebz...and we don't know your goals, dreams, priorities or anything else. I've always thought that was kind of silly (and I always thought it was because the person posting the question was either looking for validation for their decision, or at the least looking for cogent arguments to help convince someone else to support a decision they want to make) - so I always looked at these decision threads less as a "valid" thing, and more as a "help me build a case/justify/create an excuse" thing. The more I read them, the less I think that though - and I simply thing that the whole decision making process of many younger people is simply flawed. Everyone thinks kind of short term and focus on the tactical - lurching from one thing to another - and I'm not certain if many actually have an "end-game" in mind. Again, this isn't just the op on this thread - it is a lot of people. I would encourage people to work on decision making skills - how to form a plan and execute it. It will make your like easier and you will accomplish goals faster.
 
You know when WacoFan gets all long winded he's seriously wound up about the issue. How often does that happen?

Seems like the choice is pretty clear to you Mike.
 
It's taken a long time, but I have learned that what is good for my employer may or may not be good for me, but what is bad for my employer is ultimately going to be bad for me too.

Taking a few bucks out of the 'good performance' bonuses that the top execs get because the company lost less than was expected (while still losing money) and giving it to the pilots is going to hurt the company, or the pilots, how?
 
You know when WacoFan gets all long winded he's seriously wound up about the issue. How often does that happen?

Seems like the choice is pretty clear to you Mike.


Honestly Charlie, I had already made the decision before I even posted this thread. I just wanted to see what other would have done in my shoes. As for what Waco was gettin at, he's right. Some of these threads are a little falous. But thats what the interwebz are about. I know no one really know my goals, and to be honest, I have nearly acheived them all. If I go through life never making it to the big times, I am alright with that. Thats what I strive for, but as long as I can afford to keep my bills paid, and put some money away for my kids, thats all I really want. If I never can afford my own airplane, so what. It'd be nice, but all I need is my wife, my kids, a cold beer every once in a while and a roof to keep it all dry when it rains.


Edit to add: That last sentence doesn't mean I will sell myself short though.
 
The airlines would still keep me away from my wife and kids. LAX, the nearest base to me, is very senior, and I more than likely wouldn't be able to hold it for a while(1 year+). I actually just lost out on a seriously good job from a guy who flew for Eagle, based out of LAX. He had to go from a Left seat to right seat to stay in LAX(So he says), so he could be near his family. That leaves me sitting reserve in another state. Sitting reserve and commuting leaves me in a crash pad. Paying for a crash pad puts my wife and kids out of the home they are in right now. Yes, it's that close every month.

FYI: Pilots are getting LAX before they are done with IOE.
 
You have some givens here that are immovable.

1. Your wife must stay employed, at her present job, in order to maintain health insurance.
2. Your have a baby on the way.
3. This new job will keep you away from home for a long time.

Under these conditions, I don't see how you could possibly take this job. It's just not going to work for your wife, the baby, or for you. I spent a year on a job away from my family. My wife didn't work and I didn't have a newborn. It's difficult even when you can sneak back home once or twice a month. I can't imagine trying to do it with a new baby and a wife that is working. We are humans--not robots.

I'm not convinced something better will come along, but this job does not fit into your circumstances. You'll need to find something closer and something that will get you home on a regular basis. Good Luck and remain as flexible as you can.

Joe
 
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