Decent from FL350

TFaudree_ERAU said:
5-3-3. Additional Reports ​
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level
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I don't know how much clearer it can be. When you leave an altitude for a crossing restriction or a PD you report leaving said altitude.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
5-3-3. Additional Reports ​
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level

I'm in the group that considers the call to be one more chance for ATC to check his ass and make sure I'm not going to hit anyone on the way down. ATC seems to be reluctant to put anyone within 10 miles of each other (double the minimum) when climbing or descending. To me, this says something about how much I should trust the controllers.
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Add me to that group.

-mini
 
Actually, let me re-phrase.

I'm in the group that does it not only because it is required by the AIM, but also [insert the rest of what I said].
 
Had a student ask me if "Pilot Discretion" meant that it's discretion to descend, or discretion to advise ATC that you're descending.
 
Bumblebee said:
I think it is not a requirement, but a courtesy. (during PD descents)
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5-3-3. Additional Reports ​
a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight levelI get a PD from 16 down to 8. Forty miles later I'm ready to start down. I call Center to tell them I'm leaving my previously assigned attitude to my newly assigned altitude. Which is whats stated above.
 
Although I make it a habit to make the call if I am descending a 'while' after the PD is given, the imperative word in the AIM is "should" make the following calls..... not "must" make the following calls.

I do agree that it is one of the calls that should be made every time, but if a situation be it crazy radio congestion or otherwise, I'm not going top continue at my cruise altitude and completely blow the decent planning because I can't get a word in with ATC.

Now with the poll, if I'm going to crack a beer, there is no way in hell that it's going to be a bud light.
 
BajtheJino said:
I don't know how much clearer it can be. When you leave an altitude for a crossing restriction or a PD you report leaving said altitude.
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To you're above stated And your other BIG BOLD response.....

Just wow.. that's all I can say. There is a little more "professional" way of stating you don't care for someone else's response, if they don't understand something, because obviously it could be "much clearer" if so many people are having a hard time understanding it or have their own views about it. If this was SO CLEAR... it would have been taught in all flight schools during all instrument courses.. 141/61, etc.. obviously.. there is much GREY in the area.

I would post my original response to you, but since i already got a "violation" for what I posted, and it was deleated, i shall reamin silent on my previous response in regards to the "god like "Attitude that is being presented here.

Just know, there are many ways to respond to someone "not undersatnding" but yelling in big bold, or saying in a sarcastic manner, prolly isn't the way to go...

Anything else ... PM ME... im all ears.
BC.
 
ok, i have a question since i have no experience with this. Whether or not you inform ATC of leaving your previously assigned altitude for your newly assigned altitude. While occasionally ATC may not remember what your new assigned altitude is shouldn't they knew u left your current altitude from the radar return?
 
BTAcola said:
To you're above stated And your other BIG BOLD response.....

Just wow.. that's all I can say. There is a little more "professional" way of stating you don't care for someone else's response, if they don't understand something, because obviously it could be "much clearer" if so many people are having a hard time understanding it or have their own views about it. If this was SO CLEAR... it would have been taught in all flight schools during all instrument courses.. 141/61, etc.. obviously.. there is much GREY in the area.

I would post my original response to you, but since i already got a "violation" for what I posted, and it was deleated, i shall reamin silent on my previous response in regards to the "god like "Attitude that is being presented here.

Just know, there are many ways to respond to someone "not undersatnding" but yelling in big bold, or saying in a sarcastic manner, prolly isn't the way to go...

Anything else ... PM ME... im all ears.
BC.
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PM sent. But there is nothing sarcastic about my response. Professionalism has nothing to do with it. Bold letters is not considered yelling. I merely highlighted the part of the AIM that answers the question.
 
BajtheJino said:
5-3-3. Additional Reports ​


a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:
1. At all times.
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight levelI get a PD from 16 down to 8. Forty miles later I'm ready to start down. I call Center to tell them I'm leaving my previously assigned attitude to my newly assigned altitude. Which is whats stated above.
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But remember, the AIM isn't really regulatory in nature. Do you have to follow any of the three hold entry methods, or could you just do what you want? You can do what you want - just stay on the protected side (oh wait, the // entry detailed in the AIM actually has the potential for getting you off the protected side).

Unless it says in the FARs (which has required reports under ATC control) then its advisory. Show me case law that proves that this specific thing will get you violated and that an ALJ will uphold it...

If you forget, no big deal.... I always do it as a best practice myself, and if I don't do it right away I either call later (leavin x altitude for x altitude), or just don't say anything.
 
cencal83406 said:
But remember, the AIM isn't really regulatory in nature. Do you have to follow any of the three hold entry methods, or could you just do what you want? You can do what you want - just stay on the protected side (oh wait, the // entry detailed in the AIM actually has the potential for getting you off the protected side).

Unless it says in the FARs (which has required reports under ATC control) then its advisory. Show me case law that proves that this specific thing will get you violated and that an ALJ will uphold it...

If you forget, no big deal.... I always do it as a best practice myself, and if I don't do it right away I either call later (leavin x altitude for x altitude), or just don't say anything.
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No kidding. Was never my argument.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Although I make it a habit to make the call if I am descending a 'while' after the PD is given, the imperative word in the AIM is "should" make the following calls..... not "must" make the following calls.
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Regardless of the verbage in the AIM, would you want to bet your certificate that should vs shall would hold up in a court of law if, heaven forbid, you fail to advise and it results in an RA that causes an injury on your or the conflicting aircraft.

I certainly wouldn't.
 
cencal83406 said:
Unless it says in the FARs (which has required reports under ATC control) then its advisory. Show me case law that proves that this specific thing will get you violated and that an ALJ will uphold it...
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91.13. The FAA published the AIM. If you don't follow its guidance and an incident occurs, do you think the FAA is going to side with you, or the document they published?
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
91.13. The FAA published the AIM. If you don't follow its guidance and an incident occurs, do you think the FAA is going to side with you, or the document they published?
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Depends on which side has the deeper pockets haha. If your lawyer is that good.. then you win! haha. just kidding.. =) drinking this thread up tonight...
bottoms up! :beer:
 
BajtheJino said:
5-3-3. Additional Reports ​



a. The following reports should be made to ATC
(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level
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covers ears ;) this feels like yelling to me.
I see your point, but somehow do not think that this is required on a PD. I only say this because of the way things work everyday. I do it everytime, because I think it is good form.
 
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