BTAcola
New Member
So, I need some clarification on proper procedures here. We are level at FL350, about to start our descent profile arrival plans into MDW.
Center calls over, and says Citation NXXX descend pilots discretion, maintain one one thousand. (11,000). So i comply over the radio. The CA wants to stay at 350 for awhile longer (no problem there).
About 5 minutes later, he says, Call up Chicago and tell them we are leaving FL350 for 11k. So, I complied even though I thought this was incorrect to "RE- respond with our clnc altitude."
ATC has already told us to descend whenever we want (pilots discretion) down to our next cleared to altitude which is 11k feet. Keep in mind, as we learned back in Instrument learning/teaching days. One of the required radio calls is "ALTITUDE WHEN LEAVING ASSIGNED"- This makes perfect sense if we are leaving our assigned altitude WITHOUT being given permission., that is my understanding of it.
So, just to clarify, I'm under the "assumption" that you do not have to "re-report leaving your assigned altittude" when you ahve already been cleared down to a previous altitude through a pilots discretion descent. IF there is traffic in the way, or something, they will usually stop your descent or have you expedite a good rate through a few flight levels to get away from it or vice versa.
So before I talked to the CA about clogging up the radios with non essential radio talk, i figured I would hash it out and drop the dead donkey a few times here first. (Background on the CA, he is a younger guy, maybe low 40's, never was a CFI (not that it matters), flew regionals for awhile, then corporate and now charter 135 stuff, So its not a lack of experience on his part, if anything its a lack on mine since I just started flying the Jet part time in October and now Full time in February.
Thoughts? And I really hope this was not an "your an idiot BC questions, everyone knows this"! :laff: I admit I slept through a few days back in training like everyone else haha.
Thanks
B.C.
(Further clarification- This is not a thread on CA bashing or ignoring the CA or proving who is right or who is wrong, its just a question on proper protocol that you have heard or NOT heard on the radio, CA is big on radio calls and proper etiquette, and I have not heard many other aircraft re-calling their descent into center/approach, etc, so that's why im asking"
(And yes- I finally figured out how to do the POLL thing- Thanks DOUG! haha)- ALSO I NOTICE NOW- I really am an IDIOT and I spelled WAY WAY WAY too many things wrong for being a college educated idiot!
Center calls over, and says Citation NXXX descend pilots discretion, maintain one one thousand. (11,000). So i comply over the radio. The CA wants to stay at 350 for awhile longer (no problem there).
About 5 minutes later, he says, Call up Chicago and tell them we are leaving FL350 for 11k. So, I complied even though I thought this was incorrect to "RE- respond with our clnc altitude."
ATC has already told us to descend whenever we want (pilots discretion) down to our next cleared to altitude which is 11k feet. Keep in mind, as we learned back in Instrument learning/teaching days. One of the required radio calls is "ALTITUDE WHEN LEAVING ASSIGNED"- This makes perfect sense if we are leaving our assigned altitude WITHOUT being given permission., that is my understanding of it.
So, just to clarify, I'm under the "assumption" that you do not have to "re-report leaving your assigned altittude" when you ahve already been cleared down to a previous altitude through a pilots discretion descent. IF there is traffic in the way, or something, they will usually stop your descent or have you expedite a good rate through a few flight levels to get away from it or vice versa.
So before I talked to the CA about clogging up the radios with non essential radio talk, i figured I would hash it out and drop the dead donkey a few times here first. (Background on the CA, he is a younger guy, maybe low 40's, never was a CFI (not that it matters), flew regionals for awhile, then corporate and now charter 135 stuff, So its not a lack of experience on his part, if anything its a lack on mine since I just started flying the Jet part time in October and now Full time in February.
Thoughts? And I really hope this was not an "your an idiot BC questions, everyone knows this"! :laff: I admit I slept through a few days back in training like everyone else haha.
Thanks
B.C.
(Further clarification- This is not a thread on CA bashing or ignoring the CA or proving who is right or who is wrong, its just a question on proper protocol that you have heard or NOT heard on the radio, CA is big on radio calls and proper etiquette, and I have not heard many other aircraft re-calling their descent into center/approach, etc, so that's why im asking"
(And yes- I finally figured out how to do the POLL thing- Thanks DOUG! haha)- ALSO I NOTICE NOW- I really am an IDIOT and I spelled WAY WAY WAY too many things wrong for being a college educated idiot!
good job kiddo
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