DCI carrier and jumpseating

z987k said:
Is that just because you're a United carrier? Is Delta or US air different? Does it vary by regional? That seems expensive as hell IMO... and negates half to reason to work for them(in my situation/opinion.)
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Every carrier has different agreements with their mainline partner. Even though we also fly for Delta, because I don't work in that operation, I don't get nonrev benefits on Delta.

And yes, it is expensive.
 
ClearedToThe said:
It gives the mainline carrier one more reason to cancel your contract with them to shed additional 50 seaters :p
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You work for a regional, right?

While I'm all about 50 seaters going away, I find it strange when folks think it'll be "the other guy" that has the planes drawn down.
 
I just wanted to add two points...

I understand Kellwolfs gripes about the travel bennies. The crews are front line employees. I spend a lot of my time and effort enhancing the experience of Delta's customers. I try to maintain the image Delta wants and try to make sure the reputation isn't damaged by the things I can control. So- yes- it does burn when a DGS employees stepchildren make a flight where I'm trying to commute home. But I can't change it.

Finally- these travel benefits are a compilation of the total cost for services charged by Pinnacle. The Colgan Continental benefits sucked because management was striving to be the lowest cost Q400 operator. It's all negotiated during CPA talks.
 
ClearedToThe said:
Seriously. I don't see what the gripe is all about. Sure it's not fair, but didn't we all learn that life wasn't fair a while ago?
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Just a point of clarification as I've ran into this previously...

But for folks with families, it's not just $50 bucks..it's $200 plus.

50 is fine for one or two uses, but other folks have to really evaluate is it worth it to drop the $200+

Just saying.
 
Derg said:
Did you inform your jumpseat coordinator?
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This has been an ongoing ASA vs DAL issue for years Doug.

Yes, many guys have called our JS Chairman. Doesn't mean it'll have Delta Borg updating their software at the gates.

You know this.
 
surreal1221 said:
Yes, many guys have called our JS Chairman. Doesn't mean it'll have Delta Borg updating their software at the gates.
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Your carrier will be added to our route structure and then sold to SkyWest or Trans States. You will be assimilated and then divested. Resistance is futile.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Your carrier will be added to our route structure and then sold to SkyWest or Trans States. You will be assimilated and then divested. Resistance is futile.
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Sounds awesome. I'm already working for a subsidiary of SkyWest Inc.
 
I hear nothing but great things about Delta travel benefits, that's why I threw my stuff in at Gojet.
 
z987k said:
Is that just because you're a United carrier? Is Delta or US air different? Does it vary by regional? That seems expensive as hell IMO... and negates half to reason to work for them(in my situation/opinion.)
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For trans oceanic travel delta bennies are by far the cheapest.
 
Well, thankfully some of you guys who think that contract carrier employees should always be at the bottom aren't involved with pass travel at my company. Our management sees the contribution of our work differently and negotiates a better deal for us. I can't believe I'm sticking up for my own management. Our current setup isn't ideal but at least it is better than what some of you guys would have it be.

In a nutshell, the old setup at XJT/CAL was:

free enrollment, including spouse or "travel companion", parents & dependents.
12.50 domestic segment in coach (pilots & fa's always jumpsat for free, although your boarding priority was reduced)
$$$ more expensive for domestic first, int'l segments by 3-4 zones, and international business, but usually no one ever paid that because you would use your fee-waived Vacation Passes on those flights. Boarding priority was higher for employees using Vacation Passes.
Boarding priority was by DOH for mainline and express across the whole network. I could (and would) get bumped off XJT flights by CAL employees. I could do the same to their recent hires on CAL flights.
We received an allotment of Vacation Passes each year. We also got buddy passes, but it cost a fair amount to use one.

The current setup at L-XJT (The Emb Side) and UAL is:

free enrollment, including spouse, parents & dependents.
There's a $150/$200 fee for a "first/second enrolled friend" A first enrolled friend can only be in lieu of a spouse and a second enrolled friend is optional.
Free domestic and international segments in coach. Still have to pay taxes, for example ORD to SIN via HKG is $15.47. Return is $55.31. I've never seen any taxes for domestic legs.
Business and First get real expensive. Singapore and back in Business is $500.68!
We retain boarding priority for open seats on our planes over mainline and OAL express. There's an exception where a mainline employee can use a Vacation Pass and board on an equal priority to us by DOH. Mainline always has boarding priority on their flights and OAL express flights.
We no longer get vacation passes or buddy passes.
 
ClearedToThe said:
(1) You're right - you don't have delta benefits. You have Pinnacle benefits. Hence, why your benefits are not the same as a delta employee. I still say paying the flat $50 is better than paying a per leg segment along with no additional cost to sit in FC as many other carries do. Have you gone to overseas on your delta benefits? I've been on over a dozen legs trans atlantic as a non-rev and have always gotten business elite. The seats are our there if you look.

(2) The amount? Because that is the amount they are charging it is independent of what Delta people pay. Let me flip the scenario. Delta pays $50 and Pinnacle pays $30/yr for travel bennies. Do you know how well that would fly with Delta employees? About as well as a GIA first officer on his first leg if the captain croaked on rotation. As a sub-contracted employee, you are lucky to be getting ANY benefits from a company you do not work for.
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Why wouldn't that fly okay with Delta employess? They pay $20 more and get more stuff. I don't see the problem. It's not like we'd be paying less than them and getting the SAME benefits. And based on that last sentence, we see how ya REALLY feel. Hopefully no one decides to exercise their "captain's authority" if you non-rev on a Pinnacle flight. Keep in mind that Delta employees get to ride on those flights, too....even though they are flown by a lowly sub-contractor.
 
[quote="kellwolf, post: 1960828, member: 1274]"Hopefully no one decides to exercise their "captain's authority" if you non-rev on a Pinnacle flight. [/quote]

You're not suggesting a captain can use his authority to keep a non rev off a flight just because? They better have a very good reason to deny boarding.
 
kellwolf said:
Why wouldn't that fly okay with Delta employess? They pay $20 more and get more stuff. I don't see the problem. It's not like we'd be paying less than them and getting the SAME benefits. And based on that last sentence, we see how ya REALLY feel. Hopefully no one decides to exercise their "captain's authority" if you non-rev on a Pinnacle flight. Keep in mind that Delta employees get to ride on those flights, too....even though they are flown by a lowly sub-contractor.
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Because most normal people in non-pilot jobs do not spend a substantial amount of time complaining about this and that on the internet hoping for a change. As a result they don't know the intricacies between different regional's pass travel agreements. They will say, "Hey they are only paying $30 and we have to pay $50 as a delta employee! WTH?!"
 
I really don't care what any of the DCI guys are paying tried on Delta. $1 or $50, I figure those decisions are made by people who don't care what I think! :)


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kellwolf said:
Why wouldn't that fly okay with Delta employess? They pay $20 more and get more stuff. I don't see the problem. It's not like we'd be paying less than them and getting the SAME benefits. And based on that last sentence, we see how ya REALLY feel. Hopefully no one decides to exercise their "captain's authority" if you non-rev on a Pinnacle flight. Keep in mind that Delta employees get to ride on those flights, too....even though they are flown by a lowly sub-contractor.
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Delta own's those seats (and in some cases the airplane), not Pinnacle - hate to break it to you. So yes, Delta is free to do with those seats as the wish with respect to allowing their employees to use them as a benefit to employment. If Pinnacle operated their own flights as a stand alone carrier (i.e. Indy Air), then yes Pinnacle can do whatever they want with those seats.

Let me know how using "Captain's Authority" to throw someone off a plane based on their views and not on any action taken on the airplane works out for you...
 
ClearedToThe said:
Because most normal people in non-pilot jobs do not spend a substantial amount of time complaining about this and that on the internet hoping for a change. As a result they don't know the intricacies between different regional's pass travel agreements. They will say, "Hey they are only paying $30 and we have to pay $50 as a delta employee! WTH?!"
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Then they are uninformed as to the difference in the benefits. Uninformed = not my problem. I said we pay more and get less. You have yet to convince me I'm mistaken. The only thing you've really said is "Be glad you have anything at all." In order to make anyone upset they are paying more feel better, all I have to do is say "It's okay. You still get on the flight before me." Most of them will probably stop the argument right there. This is of course assuming ANY non-revs make the flight. Every Delta flight I've been on in the past two months as been oversold by more than just a little....
 
Well, I tried. All I can say is I don't see Delta changing the policy...and since the majority of the people who work for DCI carriers are paying the $50/$200 non-rev fee they have no economic reason to lower it. Basic supply/demand. I guess it comes full circle back to this - if you don't like the fact that you can't sit in the back w/o paying the $50, then don't jumpseat on delta or pay the $50.

In reality, if you pay the $50, and non-rev anywhere international (you can't jumpseat internationally even in the cabin on any carriers AFIK being a dci carrier) it will have more than paid for itself. YMMV
 
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