darn youngins.......

MikeD

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On another thread, I noted how people thought it seemed to be a "good idea" to squawk 7700 in conjunction with NORDO at some point. Made me think they were too young to remember when 7700 for 1 minute followed by 7600 was the NORDO procedure.

Made me wonder what kind of other things the yougin's never dealt with in their career.

How many of us have flown in PCA/ARSA/ATA, when they still existed (not their current equivilents)?

Anyone ever navigated via a Fan Marker? Consolan Station?

Anyone ever used VLF/OMEGA?

Anyone flown a Cessna single-engine RG that actually had gear doors for the main gear?

Anyone remember life before Flight Service Stations were automated? Back when, in Arizona, you could walk into Phoenix, Tucson, or Douglas FSS, and the briefer would be printing out the 12/24 hour progs, radar summarys, and WX depiction charts on the paper printer....then taking the colored markers and marking them up...then tacking them to the wall atop the older charts of the same types, so you the pilot could flip through them and get trending info?

Anyone flown a Cessna single that had 40 flaps setting?

Anyone that would have desired to fly the Piper PA-48?

Any others the old heads around can think of?
 
I've flown a couple of C172s with the 40 degree flap settings. Boy, talk about putting some barn doors down. Wanna lose some altitude fast? Dump full flaps and see what happens!
 
I've flown the 40 degree flaps setting as well, but as for everything else.... that would be negative.
 
Good way to slow down, too. We call the 40 degree setting the "anchor." Mike, I'm sure there are a lot of us that have flown 172s with 40 degrees of flaps. As for those other ones, well I think I speak Russian better than the gibberish you were spouting.
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I just feel fortunate for two things:

Shooting an NDB approach in actual on a revenue 121 flight.

Being able to fly an airliner that was /A, ALL the time. Not just when broken.

I have flown a Cessna with flaps 40 though.
 
Sadly, I'm not even that young.

I have flown a Cessna with 40 degree flaps (which were extended with about a 1-1/2-foot pole on the floor, which could not be reached for the first notch with a shoulder harness on -- but I digress).

Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Never knew this till I got to Skywest and flew with older guys but, if you taxied into the gate with flaps down, that meant there was a hijack/emergency of some sort.

And then theres pan pan, pan pan, pan pan!!!!
 
People here don't remember Airport Traffic Areas and the like? OMG, we've got a bunch of FNGs around these parts. I'm old.

No one remembers when there were OMEGA stations, about 8 or so around the globe?

Anyone ever used LORAN-C? How about LORAN-A (even before my time).

Consolans were akin to NDBs, but were LF. Cool thing was, they had a useable range of a little over 800 NM.

Man......without your cool little Garmin's, today's pilots would be some lost puppies.
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I learned about PCAs & the like, my dad did his primary training in 1990 and I picked up a lot from his books.

I have used Loran-C
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Yup, I'm old. Or at least getting there....
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I've:

-Used Loran-C
-Flown the Cessnas with 40 deg. of flaps (and the ones that had the manual extension)
-Got 35 hours in an old 210 with gear doors (which are a maintenance pain in the arse, by the way).

Ahhh...the joys of instructing in the Part 61 world!
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I've:

-Used Loran-C
-Flown the Cessnas with 40 deg. of flaps (and the ones that had the manual extension)
-Got 35 hours in an old 210 with gear doors (which are a maintenance pain in the arse, by the way).

Ahhh...the joys of instructing in the Part 61 world!
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Cool!
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Polarbear/ESP, that's exactly what I was referring to: the older 210 series with the gear doors. Neat to see them here and there still.
 
Some of us still use Loran. I currently fly a C-401and a King Air in Part135 that are both slant India. Each has a single nav unit that is combination VOR-DME RNAV / Loran (made by Foster, I believe). Not very user-friendly and a tough learning curve, so I filed a fair number of flights slant Alpha while getting up to speed on that mother. 430/530's and KLN89/90/94's are a piece of cake in comparison.

The dang thing only has 100 data points that can be stored in memory, so we are constantly erasing VORs or airports from memory, then programming in the ones we need for a trip. We have to manually define each VOR (lat / long, frequency, and ID) and airport (lat/long and ID) that we enter into the database. My standard answer when cleared direct to an intersection somewhere is "unable, request vector".
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Might as well bring the A/N ranges back....
 
Oh man, I remember when your dad flew into PRC in the 182 and we went out to the airport to look at the airplane. Then you showed me that the nifty little box on the panel (I think it was LORAN at the time) gave direction and distance to ATL.

Funny how fast technology moves!
 
What's a Fan Marker?

(I'm guessing it's something to do with ILS outer, middle and inner markers.)
 
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Polarbear/ESP, that's exactly what I was referring to: the older 210 series with the gear doors. Neat to see them here and there still.

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Yeah it is a shame though, probably wont fly again since its in a part 147 aviation maintenance school. Its been pretty abused but is still good for learning how to fix things. What is more interesting is the Kingair 65-90 I have a picture of under my name. According to the school it used to be used to fly LBJ around TX. Its also one of the early models that the gear doors didnt cover the main wheels. I love sitting in the cockpit during breaks and imagineing what it was like to fly it. Unfortunately it to is pretty beat up and will probably never fly again, but it is a neat airplane.
 
my step dad who quit flying in 1991 still thinks Loran C is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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and i have flown a manual flaps cessna, wish they still made em that way
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