Daily life as an airline pilot

Sean7432

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Hey guys. I'm a mil guy considering making the jump to the good life. Specifically curious about the following items w/ respect to a major airline:

1. Daily routine flying the line (i.e. play-by-play of the day, from driving to the airport to crashing in bed at the La Quinta)

2. Ease of "commuting" to your hub. Is jumpseating a guaranteed/smooth process every time?

3. As a new hire, how easy is it to get domiciled in a big city of your choice? (specifically Chicago)

4. How do guys pass the time in the cockpit? Do Captains expect endless small talk or is it normal to quietly chill out with a kindle/magazine while the other guy monitors A/P and does radios?

5. Average days off per month vs time spent flying the line. New guy vs senior guy?

Appreciate any insight into these questions!
 
1) A lot of this totally depends on the airline, the equipment type and the base. For example, a Southwest 737 guy based at Midway is going to have a very different answer than a United Guppy Pilot at ORD.

2) Commuting is never, EVER, guaranteed to be smooth. Some commutes (lots of big airplanes with multiple jumpseats, single time zone, short flight) are easier than others. Moral of the story... you'll lose days off commuting. Just a matter of how many and how often.

3) Again depends on the airline, and how popular your city of choice is. If the plane you get assigned doesn't base out of their it ain't going to happen. If you want a domicile that isn't "popular" (think: JFK for Delta), it probably is pretty easy.

4) Depends on the culture of the airline, plus what type of flying you are doing. In general no captain (ok, there are a few) is going to want/expect you to blather on all day long. Quiet is an ok thing. Some guys (most?) are ok with non approved company reading/watching material, especially on a longer flight. That said, with some you'd better get good at staring at clouds.

5) Depends on the airline and fleet type. Most places guarantee you 12 or so. With a little seniority you can probably get that up to 14 to 16.
 
1. 10 minute drive to the airport, preflight, fly to outstation, 40-45 min on the ground, fly back, 10 minute drive home, repeat. No overnights

2. I've never commuted.

3. Bases vary but our biggest few you could get out of training.

4. Watch the world go by :)

5. 12 off reserve junior and I usually am around 14-20 off depending on the month.
 
1. 10 minute drive to the airport, preflight, fly to outstation, 40-45 min on the ground, fly back, 10 minute drive home, repeat. No overnights

2. I've never commuted.

3. Bases vary but our biggest few you could get out of training.

4. Watch the world go by :)

5. 12 off reserve junior and I usually am around 14-20 off depending on the month.
Dang, who do you fly for?
 
Hey guys. I'm a mil guy considering making the jump to the good life. Specifically curious about the following items w/ respect to a major airline:

1. Daily routine flying the line (i.e. play-by-play of the day, from driving to the airport to crashing in bed at the La Quinta)

2. Ease of "commuting" to your hub. Is jumpseating a guaranteed/smooth process every time?

3. As a new hire, how easy is it to get domiciled in a big city of your choice? (specifically Chicago)

4. How do guys pass the time in the cockpit? Do Captains expect endless small talk or is it normal to quietly chill out with a kindle/magazine while the other guy monitors A/P and does radios?

5. Average days off per month vs time spent flying the line. New guy vs senior guy?

Appreciate any insight into these questions!

1. When you get to the airport, if it's your domicile you'll take the crew bus to the terminal where you go through security. Most airports have Known Crew Member now, so security is generally painless although occasionally they make you jump through some ridiculous hoop. Depending on company policy you can either go to the crew room to check in, or go straight to the airplane and get your work day started. Perform your pre-flight checks, do the walk around, board the folks and bags and go. Depending on your base and equipment you'll fly 1-5, maybe 6 legs in a day. At the end you head to the hotel for rest where you try and find time to eat, exercise, etc. Whatever floats your boat during your down time.

2. Commuting sucks. Period. It's added time away from home on your personal time and generally speaking, flights are mostly full these days so it serves a commuter well to leave plenty of options. You will, as others have said, miss time at home. If you can help it, drive to work. If you must commute, for your own sanity do your best to keep it one leg, on mainline equipment, in the same time zone and under 2 hours if at all possible.

3. It depends on the company and the circumstances. I was speaking with a new hire at a certain grey colored legacy who said ORD was the most senior base at the company at the moment. 2 years in and he'd be one of the bottom reserves on the list. For other companies you can probably get there faster but it all depends on movement. If they stop or slow hiring, get comfortable where you sit because it could be a while. Where I work it is the second most senior base, but because of hiring and upgrades it can be held within a few months for new hires.

4. Talking, reading, watching the world go by. Much depends on how you get along with your cohort but by and large it ebbs and flows between talking and busying yourself with some sort of activity.

5. At my company new hires on reserve get 12 days off. Junior line holders can usually count on 12-14, maybe more depending on how well you can do dropping and swapping trips when open time becomes available. With some seniority holding 15 or 16 off isn't unheard of and senior types regularly get 16-18 off. The pay generally clocks in somewhere between 75 and 85 hours of credit per month depending on how you work your schedule and how well you know the contract. This varies by company but in my estimation it seems to be relatively common with most airlines.

I hope this helps, it isn't a whole lot different than what others have said. Overall I love what I do and I am grateful for it every time I strap in. That said, the job can be downright tedious, lonely and boring at times but it does beat having a "real" job by a wide margin.
 
Hey guys. I'm a mil guy considering making the jump to the good life. Specifically curious about the following items w/ respect to a major airline:

1. Daily routine flying the line (i.e. play-by-play of the day, from driving to the airport to crashing in bed at the La Quinta)

2. Ease of "commuting" to your hub. Is jumpseating a guaranteed/smooth process every time?

3. As a new hire, how easy is it to get domiciled in a big city of your choice? (specifically Chicago)

4. How do guys pass the time in the cockpit? Do Captains expect endless small talk or is it normal to quietly chill out with a kindle/magazine while the other guy monitors A/P and does radios?

5. Average days off per month vs time spent flying the line. New guy vs senior guy?

Appreciate any insight into these questions!
I know nothing about the rarefied realms, but in the 135 world, allow me to summarize: "This ain't a bender... This is just night-time."
 
1. 15 minute drive to the employee lot, 5 minute walk to the plane carrying my lunchbox with a lunch and the company ipad packed inside, arrive at the plane 1 hour before departure, say hi to some of the pax boarding, load flight plan, brief, taxi out and fly typically 2-4 hours of block time and either 2 or 4 flights, between each flight is about 45 minutes of down time to offload and reload pax, arrive back home by dinner time. No hotels.

2. We have 13 different bases (none in Chicago) and I wouldn't recommend commuting here if you can't move to a base. You will take a top QOL job of all day trips and ruin it by commuting plus you will have some single days off if you're junior while possibly being based in a non commuter friendly airport with low frequency of flights. We have commuters but only the very senior ones have a good life. Places like Southwest, AA or UAL on the widebody are setup much better for Chicago commuting even while being junior and yes new hires have been awarded the 75 at UAL.

3. Lately new hires have gotten their base of choice within 1-4 months, except Bellingham.

4. It varies a lot with the person you're flying with for the day. I enjoy good conversation but I also respect those who don't want to talk much. On a 4 hour flight you run out of things to talk about so yes, "we study our manuals."

5. This varies a lot based on how I bid, I can have 22 days off a month and only work 8 if I bid max daily credit and min monthly credit. I typically shoot for max monthly credit and I don't always bid for the max daily flying because I live so close to the airport and sometimes I just want to have an 8 hour duty day with 2 flights vs a 11 or 12 hours duty day with 4 flights. If we had overnights here and I was just going back to a hotel then I would want max daily credit but an 8 hour duty day is half a day off for me because I'll be back home by about 2pm. A typical month for me starts out with being awarded 17 days off and flying on 13. For a junior pilot on reserve expect to be on call 18 days and have 12 off. The days off vary so much from base to base and different equipment but for a junior line holder about 14 days off a month is average.
 
@Sean7432, what do you fly in the military? That perspective will have some impact on what you are reading about here.

If you are a Navy type, there are many good threads over on Air Warriors that discuss this topic. If you are an AF guy, then Baseops.net is your huckleberry and there are similar discussions.
 
Part of the disconnect is the whole concept of what is "work", what is "off", what is "quality of life" is different in the 9-to-5 world than it is in the airline industry. That was the biggest shock (and in a good way) I faced leaving the controlled, regulated, and repetitive schedule of being a military officer and getting to the airlines.

I even had years of hearing about the airline lifestyle, but I couldn't really wrap my mind around what it was going to be like until I lived it. For the first months or three, it was very strange to adapt to. I know of only a couple military folks who didn't like the change, once they got used to it.
 
I haven't found commuting to be the kind of the hell the internet describes it as. I imagine most people who commute haven't driven an hour, each way, to work for 14 hours at a job they hate.
I was just wondering about that. I don't understand...if you love flying, wouldn't you try to bid max days flying and minimum days off? Does airline flying suck that bad?
For example, I love doing airframe work. Freaking love it and am very passionate about it! Fabricating parts, completing complicated repairs that nobody thinks is possible, and just fixing aircraft in general, and keeping them available so they can go on a safe, successful mission is very cool. I currently commute over 2 hours each way, often voluntarily turning a 9-hr shift into a 13-hr shift, and often spend many nights here in our RON room. Sometimes working two or three weeks straight without a single day off.
The only thing I am more passionate about is flying. I guess I don't get it. There's gotta be something I'm missing since I'm not in the inner circle of professional flying yet.
 
I was just wondering about that. I don't understand...if you love flying, wouldn't you try to bid max days flying and minimum days off? Does airline flying suck that bad?
For example, I love doing airframe work. Freaking love it and am very passionate about it! Fabricating parts, completing complicated repairs that nobody thinks is possible, and just fixing aircraft in general, and keeping them available so they can go on a safe, successful mission is very cool. I currently commute over 2 hours each way, often voluntarily turning a 9-hr shift into a 13-hr shift, and often spend many nights here in our RON room. Sometimes working two or three weeks straight without a single day off.
The only thing I am more passionate about is flying. I guess I don't get it. There's gotta be something I'm missing since I'm not in the inner circle of professional flying yet.
There is more to life than flying. I do love what I do, I genuinely enjoy my job for the most part. That said, it is only a part of my life. I enjoy other things like being home with my wife and baby boy. I enjoy surfing, golfing, hiking, spending time with family, reading, etc.

Some folks live, eat and breathe flying. If that blows their skirt up, well, good on them. For most of us, the key is balance. Flying for a living is a great job but too much of anything can get old. By the end of my days off I am usually ready to get back to it and go fly around. By day 4 I'm usually more than ready to not see another airplane or airport for a few days. Personally I would much rather have more time off to do with what I wish than more time spent in an airplane.
 
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