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Just a drop in the bucket I guess...
Crop-dusting drugs in Columbia
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ASpilot2be
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Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
People who think getting shot at is exciting have probably never been shot at.
The DynCorps recruiter I ran into about 5 years ago said that pilots were making $300K if they stayed the entire year.
greaper007
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I can understand only dusting the FARC crops. It's my understanding that a lot of the other crops are grown by subsistence farmers. I know I would gladly grow an illegal drug if it meant my family was able to eat that year.
What a waste of money. Legalize all drugs and take about a fifth of the money we spend on law enforcement, prison etc and put it toward 100% free rehab to anyone who wants it. That and jack up the penalties on any crimes committed while under the influence. Just like prohibition the war on drugs was lost the day it started.
What a waste of money. Legalize all drugs and take about a fifth of the money we spend on law enforcement, prison etc and put it toward 100% free rehab to anyone who wants it. That and jack up the penalties on any crimes committed while under the influence. Just like prohibition the war on drugs was lost the day it started.
Lace the drugs with oral contraceptives and you might just have a viable solution there.
Patrick
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Amen brother.
All part of the INL program of the State Department......International Narcotics and Law Enforcement, and as described in a post previous to mine.
Tough gig and unfortunately it's truly a losing battle. Much like my employment in my civilian LEO gig is, but their stakes are much higher down there.
Agree that those that think getting shot at is fun or exciting, have been watching too many movies.
Tough gig and unfortunately it's truly a losing battle. Much like my employment in my civilian LEO gig is, but their stakes are much higher down there.
Agree that those that think getting shot at is fun or exciting, have been watching too many movies.
Rosstafari
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Good idea. Rehab has a great success rate and resolves all drug-related problems. Same goes for harsher penalties for DUIs, so yeah, that'll probably solve drug-related crimes too.
Right. The clarion call of people who've either don't understand or are in denial of the destructive nature of drugs. Imagine if we applied the same foolish rationale to, I dunno, murder. Or burglarly. Or rape. Whatever. "If we can't eliminate it, hell, let's just give up and legalize it. Think of the tax incentives!"
When I run the world...
deek
New Member
Legalize it, tax it, end of story. We spend waaaaay to much time and money busting kids with pot and locking them up in jail. Drugs are only problems when people abuse them and others. The valedictorian at my high school was a major pot head. My friend went to MIT, he was amazed what kind of bongs genius engineering students could build.
greaper007
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Ok, sorry for the thread jack, I promise to get back to the original topic right after this 
The point is that there really isn't any winning the drug problem. Harsh DUI penalties along with options other than driving home drunk have helped to alleviate some of the problems associated with drunk driving. According to people I know that do research in Rehab, rehab as it exists under the HMOs doesn't have a great success rate. However, in house year long rehab does seem to have a better success rate, I'll try to find a citation. The point is that this is a problem we have been unable to fight head on. You can't curb people's desire for vice, the best thing you can do is manage it.
I have a cousin that's been fighting heroin addiction for the past few years, he's working hard but it's an ugly addiction. I also have an Uncle that OD'ed and died at 27 something that pretty much destroyed my family from there on out. I know about the destructive nature of drugs. It's not the same as murder or burglary or rape though. Those crimes directly cause damage to a victim other than the perpetrator. Drug abuse on the other hand primarily causes problems to the drug user. They can cause problems to other people by proxy, most of those problems are already covered by existing laws though, domestic violence, DUI etc. The primary victim in drug abuse is the user, it's not a fair comparison.
I'm not naive enough to think that legalization would result in simply a tax windfall for government. I do think the problems it would produce would be far better than the existing situation. We have to differentiate drug abuse and drug crime. Drug abuse is an illness and should be treated as such. Drug crime as it exists at the organized crime level is a result of prohibition. When you have a kid with the choice of 5 bucks an hour at McDonalds or a thousand a week selling crack what do you think they will chose?
In the conventional model of a war, this fight does not feature an option of victory. Continuing down the present path means more of the same. More rediculously long federal sentences for people caught selling small amounts of crack cocaine. Federal sentences which by the way are not eligible for parole. More shadow wars in poor countries where peasants are often growing coca or poppies in a subsistence manner. You fight a problem by helping people, not hurting them. Sending someone to jail because they have an addiction isn't a good solution. Sending someone to prison for being a low level dealer isn't the right answer to the lack of decent education and jobs in a community. Legalization and rehabilitation won't curb all these issues, but it would be a good start.
The point is that there really isn't any winning the drug problem. Harsh DUI penalties along with options other than driving home drunk have helped to alleviate some of the problems associated with drunk driving. According to people I know that do research in Rehab, rehab as it exists under the HMOs doesn't have a great success rate. However, in house year long rehab does seem to have a better success rate, I'll try to find a citation. The point is that this is a problem we have been unable to fight head on. You can't curb people's desire for vice, the best thing you can do is manage it.
I have a cousin that's been fighting heroin addiction for the past few years, he's working hard but it's an ugly addiction. I also have an Uncle that OD'ed and died at 27 something that pretty much destroyed my family from there on out. I know about the destructive nature of drugs. It's not the same as murder or burglary or rape though. Those crimes directly cause damage to a victim other than the perpetrator. Drug abuse on the other hand primarily causes problems to the drug user. They can cause problems to other people by proxy, most of those problems are already covered by existing laws though, domestic violence, DUI etc. The primary victim in drug abuse is the user, it's not a fair comparison.
I'm not naive enough to think that legalization would result in simply a tax windfall for government. I do think the problems it would produce would be far better than the existing situation. We have to differentiate drug abuse and drug crime. Drug abuse is an illness and should be treated as such. Drug crime as it exists at the organized crime level is a result of prohibition. When you have a kid with the choice of 5 bucks an hour at McDonalds or a thousand a week selling crack what do you think they will chose?
In the conventional model of a war, this fight does not feature an option of victory. Continuing down the present path means more of the same. More rediculously long federal sentences for people caught selling small amounts of crack cocaine. Federal sentences which by the way are not eligible for parole. More shadow wars in poor countries where peasants are often growing coca or poppies in a subsistence manner. You fight a problem by helping people, not hurting them. Sending someone to jail because they have an addiction isn't a good solution. Sending someone to prison for being a low level dealer isn't the right answer to the lack of decent education and jobs in a community. Legalization and rehabilitation won't curb all these issues, but it would be a good start.
wheelsup
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Well the true spirit of America is personal freedom and having any sort of illegal drug goes against what was originally fought for. In America, it should be about choosing what you want to do in so far as it doesn't infringe on others liberties.
The examples you give of murder, rape, and burglary infringe on others liberties therefore aren't quite the same as legalizing drugs.
So while it was a good try your argument really has no merit
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I_Money
Moderator
I think people who think drugs should be legalized really don't understand society - I see more people in the emergency room suffering from alcohol abuse and the affects of smoking compared to illegal drugs - I hate to think of the destructive behavior if these drugs became legal.
TXaviator
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if you think drugs being illegal stops people from doing drugs, you are mistaken.
//end threadjack
okay so im up for a bit of adventure and such, but this is even too far for me. i would NOT like to be flying THAT low, in a place where im SURE if they found you theyd kill you on the spot.
i reckon the people growing crops there are not real pleased with people spraying them.
greaper007
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At least the guys that have been shot at on this thread had a plane that could shoot back. Imagine being in a slow little plane with probably no defensive measures. I wonder what kind of weaponry the drug producers have. I imagine it's more powerful than you think.
I don't know what would be worse. Getting killed by these guys or being held hostage by the FARC indefinitely.
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I don't know what would be worse. Getting killed by these guys or being held hostage by the FARC indefinitely.
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The risk has its reward. You're outgunned and at high risk. But, for some if the $$$ are good enough...
greaper007
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Sure, my Dad had a friend that was a Marine fighter pilot who got caught running drugs.