CRJ200 'Package Freighter'
- Thread starter Cheechako
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Maybe somebody could chime in, but how does the fuel burn of an old Falcon 20 compare to that on the CRJ? I'm sure the CRJ probably burns more, but are they close? I've heard the old Falcons are pretty thirsty.
seagull
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There is more to this issue, though. Every aircraft takes a slot. For FDX MEM is very limited. Adding RJ's would make it a nightmare. They are SLOOOW, and would REALLY mess up the arrival and departure rates. I would guess that over time MEM won't even have many narrow bodies in the FDX system.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Well, it's certainly more airplane, but if the fuel burns are similar, that's just added capacity to sell (and the 20s with the GE engines are unbelievably thirsty, I'm told). That said, screw the economics, I'm just opposed because all them panty-wearing RJ pilots are gonna TUK AR JEERRRRRBBBBSSSSS!
When RJs and the OOTSK come together, it will be love at first sight.
Skåning
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West Air Europe has the CRJ-200 as a package freighter right now:
West Air (Sweden) flies those in the far North of Norway, so maybe conditions up there dictate turbojet over the BAe-ATPs that they also have?
USMCmech
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A Challenger or a Hawker would be more of a dirrect replacement, but there aren't lots of them sitting arround in the desert for sale.
The fact that there are lots of RJs that need to be unloaded cheaply is a big part of the argument. If you buy the whole airframe for pennies, then fuel burn isn't nearly as important.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
kiloalpha
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This right here. Louisville, Memphis, Indy would all be nightmares with all the little replacement jets running around. Also, would it be economical to load up a A300 fly it somewhere long distance and offload into several smaller planes on short hauls or fly several RJs long distance?
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
This is a fair point. I used to fly in to SDF fairly regularly in the beloved Moo to pick up parts for UPS planes that had had the bad form to break down somewhere UPS didn't have an MX base. I can't count the number of times I had to sit for 20 minutes just to get on to the ramp to load. And when they finally let me on, I could see those Jovian UPS pilots glaring down at me as they burned half of Saudi's oil reserves waiting for me to get out of the way. I think SDF and MEM, at least, are pretty much saturated as it stands.
KLB
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I don't know buddy. The metro only burns 600lbs/hr in fuel. It may still be more economical to have a brasilia and a metro do it over an RJ. Plus, the metro may only back up the brasilia a few times a week. That leaves it open to do other flights if need be.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
More to the point, wouldn't the decision to use CRJ's be at the discretion of the individual feeder companies and not UPS/FedEx? As an example, Amflight owns its aircraft (I don't think this is the case FedEx caravan lift), and I can't see them purchasing a few (under 50) aircraft to cater to the whim of Brown or Purple. Starting up a new aircraft program ain't cheap.
KLB
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There are "some" feeder operators that would do it if it meant they're continued control of the feeder market. I highly doubt that either FedEx or UPS pilots' scope would allow it though. Maybe DHL? But then again, they did ax an entire (rather large) DC9 fleet!
turbomax97
What can brown do for you?
Most 20's on the freight side of things have the GE motors and aren't RVSM'd.
Fuel burn up top is ~1100-1200pph per motor.
Fuel flow for takeoff power this time of year is anywhere from 3600 - 4100 pph depending on the motor.
We're always eye'ing that stinkin' fuel guage
2.5 hours is about the max you can do with ifr reserves.
Fuel burn up top is ~1100-1200pph per motor.
Fuel flow for takeoff power this time of year is anywhere from 3600 - 4100 pph depending on the motor.
We're always eye'ing that stinkin' fuel guage
2.5 hours is about the max you can do with ifr reserves.
KLB
Well-Known Member
Most 20's on the freight side of things have the GE motors and aren't RVSM'd.
Fuel burn up top is ~1100-1200pph per motor.
Fuel flow for takeoff power this time of year is anywhere from 3600 - 4100 pph depending on the motor.
We're always eye'ing that stinkin' fuel guage
Thats it!? You can keep the metro aloft for 6+ hours and still have an hour reserve! My longest flight has been 5.8hrs in the tube!
SIUav8er
Narcosis
Most 20's on the freight side of things have the GE motors and aren't RVSM'd.
Fuel burn up top is ~1100-1200pph per motor.
Fuel flow for takeoff power this time of year is anywhere from 3600 - 4100 pph depending on the motor.
We're always eye'ing that stinkin' fuel guage
How the F is that even profitable??? No RVSM? haha
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
USMCmech
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Not really, when big brother says jump the feeders say "how high?"
For the FedEx feeders, big brother buys the planes and tells Empire when and where to fly them. For UPS feeders, it's "Would you like to bid on a route flying a 1900 from A to B next month?"
KLB
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AMF used to fly those Lears all the way across the country. We're talking BUR-DEN-TEB-DEN-BUR! Airnet does something similar on their flights!