CRJ200 'Package Freighter'

[USMCmech]

How the F is that even profitable??? No RVSM? haha

When the plane has been paid off for over 10 years, fuel economy really isn't as important.

Same reason I didn't trade my paid off V8 pickup truck for a new 25K hybrid when gas was 4/gal. Filling up the tank twice as often was still cheaper than a new car payment.

 

[jtrain609]

AMF used to fly those Lears all the way across the country. We're talking BUR-DEN-TEB-DEN-BUR! Airnet does something similar on their flights!

Seriously? I always thought they didn't go much further than BUR-DEN-PHX-BUR kinda stuff.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

That means that they are paying for several Caravans and the pilots to sit idle for part of the week.

True, but FedEx doesn't mind that since all the vans have been paid off for a while now. A couple of important runs (one for a credit card company) have two caravans sitting there for one pilot in case one of them breaks and they still have a few of the B models and 2 dozen A model caravans in long term storage.

As far as the pilots go, a CRJ needs two... I doubt they could get away with paying normal regional rates on it either, so single pilot fuel efficient airplanes might be best.

Might be academic because I do not think they will ever allow scope for jets to be outsourced.

 

[NJA_Capt]

Hmmmm. Where have I seen this idea before???
http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/42062-crj-200-freighter.html (2007)
Oh, Yeah.
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F100EJ brings bizliner role to retired Fokker 100 twinjets (2007)
Faced with market oversupply and dwindling values as airlines retired their fleets of the Fokker 100, Stork Fokker embarked on a program to buy back the Rolls-Royce Tay-powered twinjets. The Dutch company is offering refurbished aircraft to low-fare startup carriers and to corporations as a bizliner with the tempting price tag of $12 million or so completed, and good for 60,000 more airframe cycles.
http://www.ainonline.com/ain-and-ainalerts/


Wait…..That didn’t work. Let’s try this!


Combi freighter plan emerges for Fokker 100 (2011)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/04/352758/combi-freighter-plan-emerges-for-fokker-100.html


Airline types haven’t learned that low acquisition costs aren’t EVERYTHING. Considering the $10M price for a CRJ and $12M for a F100EJ, neither fit the model of low cost. The planes (F100, CRJ, etc) are too slow and have the performance of a Wright Flyer. Look at the specs for the F100EJ: 0:29 mins to FL350, MCT .77, LRC .70, 8.2 hrs to cover 3200nm??? Good luck with that.

Let’s face it. Some company is sitting on a bunch of airframes that no one wants and is trying every angle to get rid of them.

 

[Polymox]

At least here in the USA the big freight carriers want larger airplanes, not smaller. The CRJ was made so you could have 5x daily service to midsize towns, but all the cargo arrives in one flight. Just look at the ratio of widebody to narrowbody at the likes of Fedex and UPS compared to any of the passenger majors.

For domestic air the system is already set up to get it there at the time that is required, earlier would just mean you're sitting on it waiting for daylight to begin deliveries. The box doesn't care that it has an hour layover in Dallas on the way to Midland, it still gets there by 9 am. It's much cheaper to put it on a 767 to the nearest city and meet a turboprop flown by the lowest bidder than to fuel a CRJ to fly halfway across the country.

 

[swisspilot]

Hmmmm. Where have I seen this idea before???
http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/42062-crj-200-freighter.html (2007)
Oh, Yeah.
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F100EJ brings bizliner role to retired Fokker 100 twinjets (2007)
Faced with market oversupply and dwindling values as airlines retired their fleets of the Fokker 100, Stork Fokker embarked on a program to buy back the Rolls-Royce Tay-powered twinjets. The Dutch company is offering refurbished aircraft to low-fare startup carriers and to corporations as a bizliner with the tempting price tag of $12 million or so completed, and good for 60,000 more airframe cycles.
http://www.ainonline.com/ain-and-ainalerts/


Wait…..That didn’t work. Let’s try this!


Combi freighter plan emerges for Fokker 100 (2011)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/04/352758/combi-freighter-plan-emerges-for-fokker-100.html


Airline types haven’t learned that low acquisition costs aren’t EVERYTHING. Considering the $10M price for a CRJ and $12M for a F100EJ, neither fit the model of low cost. The planes (F100, CRJ, etc) are too slow and have the performance of a Wright Flyer. Look at the specs for the F100EJ: 0:29 mins to FL350, MCT .77, LRC .70, 8.2 hrs to cover 3200nm??? Good luck with that.

Let’s face it. Some company is sitting on a bunch of airframes that no one wants and is trying every angle to get rid of them.

cargo or not more then half of the F100 that American had are flying here in Brazil, the company that is operating them is one of the most successful in South America, they even bought Avianca...sometimes it`s not the plane that makes it profitable it`s how the company uses them. The company also flies cargo with them.

A new start up airline here is gonna start flying the F100 too

 

[Vector4Food]

Yay... just what I always wanted, adding more anemic performing aircraft to busy airspace.

 

[zmiller4]

Yay... just what I always wanted, adding more anemic performing aircraft to busy airspace.

It's going to be a slow climb to 300, by the way. I hope that's OK with you.

 

[Blackhawk]

Maybe they'll work, maybe they won't. I think Bombardier has built about 1000 of the 100/200 series, so there are a bunch out there. Not sure what the love/hate relationship is about them. They're an airplane. If a cargo company can make a profit with them, they'll use them. If the costs are too high, they won't use them or they'll go out of business trying.

 

[ASpilot2be]

How was the show? I was hoping to get up there this year but life got in the way. There's always next time...

I am not Cheechako, but I thought the show was pretty good. I only quickly wandered through before going to work. As usual, quite a mix of vendors, and aircraft.

 

[Baronman]

Not sure what the love/hate relationship is about them. They're an airplane. If a cargo company can make a profit with them, they'll use them. If the costs are too high, they won't use them or they'll go out of business trying.

Because they're the cause of ALL the problems in aviation, so they have to be evil...;-)

I agree, the economics will talk for themselves...Maybe we'll see more of them as airframes get on the market for cheap. As far as performance affecting Memphis, I think it matters less than you think. They'll fit in just like they do at every other big airport in the country. I remember people saying the same thing about turboprops affecting the flow of traffic at EWR (previously there were no t-props). Now about half the a/c coming in are some type of dash 8.