Craziest aviation video I have ever seen

Hacker15e said:
On a very basic level, aircraft defend against a radar-guided SAM (like an SA-2) in two different ways.

First, you try and 'defeat' the radar. Your maneuvers can take advantage of weaknesses in the guidance systems, can deceive the tracking mechanisms, or outright shut down the ability of the radar to work and follow you.

Second, the maneuvers can attempt to kinematically defeat the missile (run it out of energy). Ultimately the missile has a finite amount of energy with which to maneuver (rocket motors have a finite burn time), and the more of that energy you can cause the missile to bleed off during it's time of flight, the less able it will be to maneuver well enough to hit you because of the low energy state.

How we accomplish these things...that's not for discussion in this forum.

Just realize that defending against a SAM is like being in a boxing match or a soccer game -- plans rarely last after the first couple seconds of the engagement. Pilots have to constantly assess a large number of factors -- type/number of threat, energy state of you and enemy, weather, terrain, etc. Many times defensive tactics change multiple times during an engagement depending on circumstances.
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All the methodology is well and good that we train to for avoidance/countering. But the couple of MANPADs I had fired at me, they zipped by before I had any time to see them or react. :)
 
That was a good vid but It will never be as good as this video I once saw when a F14 was doing a -3g inverted dive with a mig...lol

All in all I would have been scared just a much if not more then him.
 
MikeD said:
All the methodology is well and good that we train to for avoidance/countering. But the couple of MANPADs I had fired at me, they zipped by before I had any time to see them or react. :)
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Word. The only time (that I know of) that I've been shot at with a MANPAD, it had all ready gone past the canopy before I even realized what it was (and my WSO said, 'hey, I think that was a MANPAD'). Not even time for an 'oh, excement!' moment.
 
Hacker15e said:
Word. The only time (that I know of) that I've been shot at with a MANPAD, it had all ready gone past the canopy before I even realized what it was (and my WSO said, 'hey, I think that was a MANPAD'). Not even time for an 'oh, excement!' moment.
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Replace your WSO with my wingman, and it was the same situation for me. "1, I think you're taking MANPAD fire.......break right! Uhh.....flares!"

So much for directive/descriptive. :D
 
MikeD said:
So much for directive/descriptive. :D
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A WSO I flew with in OIF who is now a WIC instructor says that he uses a bit of my comm as his example of "worst threat reaction comm ever."

I believe what I said was, "Hey one, did you see that SA-2 launch off your nose?"

So, I've starred in the "descriptive instead of directive comm" show myself.
 
Hacker15e said:
Naaaaah. Ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances.
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Haha. I've met a lot of 'ordinary people' that can't handle stalling an aircraft and freeze in fear. Seeing the trail of a SAM come at them would fill the cockpit in brown.
 
Remember the A-10 that crashed into Virgin River Gorge NE of LSV near I-15 in 2001? That was my roommate from FTU; hit a ridge that he couldn't clear, but managed to eject just prior. Seat carried him over the top of the ridge while his A-10 slammed into the ridgetop just below him. As he cleared the ridgetop, he seat/man separated, got a good chute, and landed after a swing or two on the opposite side of the ridge from the exploded Hog. Basically, they were a 3-ship heading back to Pope after an XC to Vegas. #2 crashed into the gorge, and was filmed in #3s HUD. The comm from that was interesting indeed. Worst part was, it was a 74th FS mission, and he was flying the 75th FS's CO's jet, which they borrowed in order to put hours on before some major maintenance.
 
I saw a HUD video years ago that a former E-2C pilot and then MC-130 pilot had during a mission in Afghanistan. He was flying through a valley at night with fire raining down on them, looked like RPG type launches too but everything missed. Lumbering along in a slow turboprop would not be my idea of fun, even at night.

Years ago when we first went into Afghanistan and Pakistan, we had to fly to a few airfields in Pakistan. I flew into Jacobabad a few times. We had to fly a particular profile, with the last 10 miles at a certain altitude and speed (pretty much as fast as you could go in a COD) due to manpads and small arms fire in the area, a lot threat environment of course. Granted, even if one was fired at me, I never would have seen it but I couldn't imagine having to dodge any sort of SAM and especially multiple SAMs.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
Haha. I've met a lot of 'ordinary people' that can't handle stalling an aircraft and freeze in fear. Seeing the trail of a SAM come at them would fill the cockpit in brown.
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I got scared when I ran into a large desert tortoise in SW AZ while out chasing down smugglers one day. Scared the crap out of me. Thought it was a large rock.
 
For the record, when I watched this video for the first time, I had chills running down my spine.

The only thing I find "cool" about it, is simply the fact the video exists for Joe Q public to see which I find interesting... the content however is chilling.
 
Seen the video before, but I never fail to watch the whole thing when posted. Serious stuff! Curious about the 'flare' effects that occur twice. Looks sort of like an SA-2 under full steam just went sailing by the canopy, but it was my understanding that even older SAM systems would have burnt out their propellant by the time they're near the target. Was that some kind of flare system? The sun? Or have I been sadly misinformed?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Seen the video before, but I never fail to watch the whole thing when posted. Serious stuff! Curious about the 'flare' effects that occur twice. Looks sort of like an SA-2 under full steam just went sailing by the canopy, but it was my understanding that even older SAM systems would have burnt out their propellant by the time they're near the target. Was that some kind of flare system? The sun? Or have I been sadly misinformed?
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Could very well be the SAM itself sailing by. Can't see the vid from the location Im at, and its been awhile since I have seen it.
 
Video's like this make me even more thankful for all the guys overseas. That is one hell of a situation to be in. When I was in college I had to take an aviation physiology class. The semester I took it there was a USAF physiologist working on another Masters Degree, to get the degree for free he taught while he was there. I think I learned more that semester than anyone else who had different teachers ever has at MTSU. One of the stories he shared was about riding on a KC135 over Iraq one night, they were much lower than normal, to rendezvous with a flight of A-10's to refuel them. I don't remember what city he was near but he said he put his NVG's on, saw lots of tracers and gunfire all over the sky and quickly took them back off. I imagine it was something like you used to see on the discovery channel when they did the documentaries on Desert Storm. Its one thing to see it on tv, its quite another to listen to someone talk about an experience in detail and about the way it made them feel inside. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in the situation, much less one like in this video.

Hacker, thanks for the insightful post there. One more reason this site is great, so many backgrounds are here.
 
Hacker15e said:
Word. The only time (that I know of) that I've been shot at with a MANPAD, it had all ready gone past the canopy before I even realized what it was (and my WSO said, 'hey, I think that was a MANPAD'). Not even time for an 'oh, excement!' moment.
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This does not really make me optimistic about avoiding one in an airliner, other than the fact that it clearly missed you.
 
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