Crash pilot who paused to pray is convicted

slushie said:
There, fixed it for ya! ;)
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Here's a list of ACLU actions on behalf of Christians:


ACLU Fights For Christian Inmate's Right to Preach

ACLU of Northern California Fights Law that Got Quakers Fired Over Loyalty Oath

ACLU Defends Christian Librarian Disciplined for Refusing to Promote Harry Potter

ACLU Defends Right of Individual Christian to Display Nativity Scene on Public Property

ACLU Defends Christians Protesting Gay Rights in Florida

ACLU Champions Religious Freedom Of Mormon College Student

ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

ACLU Defends Christian Worker Required to Remove Bible from Desk at Government Job

ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights
 
cool92092 said:
Personally I don't feel that religion has a seat in the cockpit but I respect other's rights to believe what ever they want.
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Hopefully you have never or will never find yourself in a life and death situation where your own stated belief is put to the test.

Not sure what the appropriate sanction should be for gross negligence in the cockpit. Putting people in prison for non-violent offenses seems like such a waste.
 
Douglas said:
Yeah, he messed up, but prison is a bit much.
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Messed up? He did nothing and lots of people died! When you're acting as PIC and accepting the amount of responsibility when do you cross the line of being criminally negligent? I'm assuming you've read the final report on this crash. After the first engine quit he just drifted down fat, dumb and happy.
 
BajtheJino said:
Messed up? He did nothing and lots of people died! When you're acting as PIC and accepting the amount of responsibility when do you cross the line of being criminally negligent? I'm assuming you've read the final report on this crash. After the first engine quit he just drifted down fat, dumb and happy.
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Do you have a source? I'd like to read more about it.
 
BajtheJino said:
Messed up? He did nothing and lots of people died! When you're acting as PIC and accepting the amount of responsibility when do you cross the line of being criminally negligent? I'm assuming you've read the final report on this crash. After the first engine quit he just drifted down fat, dumb and happy.
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happens and people are at fault most of the time.
What I don't want to see is a job that I love that relies on machinery and when the mechinary breaks down I don't need a 10 year prison sentence on my mind when I am trying to make the right decsion.

"You just had an engine failure hot shot. Choose wisely, you may get 10 years. "
As if the threat of prison is going to make encourage me to make the right decision. I doubt it.

He is not the first pilot to panic and make the wrong decision. Him making the wrong decision by praying is not a factor. Negligence is negligence.
 
Douglas said:
happens and people are at fault most of the time.
What I don't want to see is a job that I love that relies on machinery and when the mechinary breaks down I don't need a 10 year prison sentence on my mind when I am trying to make the right decsion.
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IF people design it, make it or use it, somewhere along the line, the failure can be attributed to people being at fault.
 
Ramsey said:
Prove it - not all are Muslim!

Not to mention Allah is Arabic for God. Arab Christians pray to Allah as well.
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Double FAIL!


Douglas said:
happens and people are at fault most of the time.
What I don't want to see is a job that I love that relies on machinery and when the mechinary breaks down I don't need a 10 year prison sentence on my mind when I am trying to make the right decsion.

"You just had an engine failure hot shot. Choose wisely, you may get 10 years. "
As if the threat of prison is going to make encourage me to make the right decision. I doubt it.

He is not the first pilot to panic and make the wrong decision. Him making the wrong decision by praying is not a factor. Negligence is negligence.
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Ok, we don't agree. My point is they ran out of fuel. They crashed a perfectly good airplane. The error started at mtx and ended with a pilot not doing the very basics. He was negligent in his job. He killed people. People that kill people, even through negligence are criminally responsible.
 
BajtheJino said:
Double FAIL!



Ok, we don't agree. My point is they ran out of fuel. They crashed a perfectly good airplane. The error started at mtx and ended with a pilot not doing the very basics. He was negligent in his job. He killed people. People that kill people, even through negligence are criminally responsible.
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How's that?
 
I think you guys are relying on the media too much. Remember how bad it sounds when things go wrong here in the US? Do you imagine that foreign media is any better? It's controversial, that why it's prominent in that piece. The fact that he was praying did not have anything to do with the crash. If it's the same crash as below, which I think it is, he ran out of fuel 20 miles from the airport at 4000 ft. The youtube clip said that the wrong fuel gauge was installed in the aircraft, causing there to be less fuel than they thought. I can't confirm that, obviously. Sounds to me like the crew did everything they could before they ditched.

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bafanguy said:
On flightglobal.com, March 19, was an article on this subject and covered some recent findings on the effectiveness of criminal prosecution of pilots and controllers.

It was a doctoral thesis study by two Cypriots, one a law professor and another an airline pilot.

The study found that criminal prosecution had negative effects on aviation safety overall.
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Anymore Info on this?
 
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