beechpilot
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RIP to the Captain
Continental pilot dies in flight
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RIP to the Captain
Duck_Twacy
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Even a private pilot? Ah the possibilities....
ATC "Flight 123 you are 6 miles from YOMAN maintain 2600' til established cleared ILS 22 approach"
.....silence....
Me: "I think that was for us"
Helper: "What was for us?"
Me: "That radio call...you're working the radio, right?"
Helper: "Oh man, I'm sorry, what did they say?"
Me: "Nm, I got it..."
...time passes...
Me: "Gear down please."
Helper: "Which one is the handle?"
Me: "The big one there on the panel, with the white handle."
Helper: "Oh, ok.....hmm, it doesn't want to go down"
Me: "You have to hold up the release and move it down at the same time"
Helper: "Where's the release?"
Me: "That little silver button right under the handle, hold it up."
Helper: "Ok....man, I'll have to use both hands.....ok, I got it"
....and then, this one would be fun....
Me: "Flaps 15 sync off condition levers 1050 landing checklist"
crickets
Helper: "heh heh, I'm sorry I have NO IDEA what you just said"
Sorry for the attempt at humor...I had a former student in mind when I wrote this. I think he's still afraid of the radios. Anyone with something more than a PP-ASEL that wasn't terrified of talking to ATC would be helpful though, and I'd imagine would be welcome after just having a colleague and possible friend die sitting next to you. I wouldn't be as focused as I needed to be, especially on a day like today with crappy weather.
RIP to the captain, and condolences to family and friends.
LoadMasterC141
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RIP Good Sir
LoadMasterC141
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I have had several 10000 hour+ foreign captains come to get an FAA ATP MEL license. They usually have big problems flying the Seminole and it is all due to single pilot.
A 60 year old A340 Captain with 24000 hours simply could not fly the airplane, setup the approaches, talk on the radios, run checklists, and configure the airplane even after 15 hours of flying. He said it was crazy to think someone could do it all by themselves. I took him to the sim and showed him myself, but he never thought it was right. This guy had not flown single pilot in 40 years.
The same kind of thing is evident with Military guys who have 2 or more in the flight deck, though they generally adapt faster.
Of course, I am sure a 777 has alot more help than a Seminole for the pilot. An autopilot counts as another person to me.
A 60 year old A340 Captain with 24000 hours simply could not fly the airplane, setup the approaches, talk on the radios, run checklists, and configure the airplane even after 15 hours of flying. He said it was crazy to think someone could do it all by themselves. I took him to the sim and showed him myself, but he never thought it was right. This guy had not flown single pilot in 40 years.
The same kind of thing is evident with Military guys who have 2 or more in the flight deck, though they generally adapt faster.
Of course, I am sure a 777 has alot more help than a Seminole for the pilot. An autopilot counts as another person to me.
DE727UPS
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For the record, his name is on the scab list. Craig A Lenell, CAL 83, dob 7/16/48. He was also a Vietnam vet and served in the Air Force. I, too, was appalled at the response at APC. Kudos to JC for keeping it civil. May he RIP.
Just as an aside, why would he be on a scab list? Weren't all those guys "forgiven" by the union when they came back on property?
At least that's what I've been told.
Velocipede
New Member
Donny,
Nice job. You had to out him here as a scab. Not even I am so low as to do something like that.
Personally, I hate scabs, but I HATE hypocrites even more.
Buy any pigs in a blanket lately?
You're back on the ignore list, sport.
BTW, see these wings? They mean something. Too bad that's beyond your comprehension.
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Nice job. You had to out him here as a scab. Not even I am so low as to do something like that.
Personally, I hate scabs, but I HATE hypocrites even more.
Buy any pigs in a blanket lately?
You're back on the ignore list, sport.
BTW, see these wings? They mean something. Too bad that's beyond your comprehension.
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Velocipede
New Member
If they paid their back dues etc. they were. Of course, that's beyond some people.
SeanD
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jynxyjoe
Queso King
I think everyone here can agree even if he sold his mom out for a job, he's dead now and whatever happened is most certainly in the past. It doesn't matter. He's at peace now and God bless his soul and his family.
Don just stated a fact, a fact no one else here is terribly concerned with, including him it seems. Craig A Lenell heading west, a flight we all must take. Catch ya on the other side brother.
-Joseph
(With that said, back to me being myself again. Hope that all came out right, respectful isn't exactly my forte)
Don just stated a fact, a fact no one else here is terribly concerned with, including him it seems. Craig A Lenell heading west, a flight we all must take. Catch ya on the other side brother.
-Joseph
(With that said, back to me being myself again. Hope that all came out right, respectful isn't exactly my forte)
mooneyguy
been around forever
Here is an interesting "coincidence" http://forums.jetcareers.com/ask-flight-surgeon/89854-chest-pain.html
Posted 4 days ago.
Posted 4 days ago.
DE727UPS
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"Just as an aside, why would he be on a scab list?"
Hey Mike. You bring up a good point. I'll say it's "complicated", and perhaps beyond my understanding, as I wasn't there. But, I'd wouldn't say the scabs were forgiven. The scab list simply lists scabs from UA, CAL, and lots of other places that are long forgotten. CAL once had a strike when Lorenzo took over Continental. Actually, Lorenzo took over Eastern, forced a strike, and then Eastern bought out CAL. In any case, when Lorenzo told CAL ALPA to take a pay cut or he would force bankruptcy, CAL ALPA told him to take a hike. Lorenzo took Continental into Chapter 11 and a contract was forced on the pilots. The pilots (ALPA) decided to strike and they were replaced by scabs. I do remember seeing the ads in the newspaper when CAL was looking for strike breakers. I think it was 50K for Capts and 30K for F/O's. In any case, CAL did persevere as an airline and ALPA was locked out. The ALPA guys sued CAL to get their jobs back, and actually won, and got their seats back, with seniority. Thus, scabs and ALPA guys got all mixed together. Over the years, the regular line guys soon outnumbered the scabs, and you have the CAL of today.
To really answer your question, though, the CAL was not ALPA for years after the bankruptcy. When the scabs outnumbered the ALPA guys, they had either no union or an independent union. In time, ALPA saw the benefit from bringing the CAL pilots back in house and eventually won the right to represent the CAL pilots. At the time, you could say "ALPA" forgave the scabs to "bring it all in house". However, on an individual basis, I can promise you that the scabs were not forgiven by most. I witnessed this in the late 90's as a new hire at UPS with several ex-CAL guys that didn't want to go back.
So, the scab list remains. The choice to "forgive" is more of an individual thing than a corporate ALPA thing. I'd say ALPA did forgive because it was in their own best interests, yet, the scab list remains and the word "scab" is highly inflammatory to this day.
Hope that helps.
Hey Mike. You bring up a good point. I'll say it's "complicated", and perhaps beyond my understanding, as I wasn't there. But, I'd wouldn't say the scabs were forgiven. The scab list simply lists scabs from UA, CAL, and lots of other places that are long forgotten. CAL once had a strike when Lorenzo took over Continental. Actually, Lorenzo took over Eastern, forced a strike, and then Eastern bought out CAL. In any case, when Lorenzo told CAL ALPA to take a pay cut or he would force bankruptcy, CAL ALPA told him to take a hike. Lorenzo took Continental into Chapter 11 and a contract was forced on the pilots. The pilots (ALPA) decided to strike and they were replaced by scabs. I do remember seeing the ads in the newspaper when CAL was looking for strike breakers. I think it was 50K for Capts and 30K for F/O's. In any case, CAL did persevere as an airline and ALPA was locked out. The ALPA guys sued CAL to get their jobs back, and actually won, and got their seats back, with seniority. Thus, scabs and ALPA guys got all mixed together. Over the years, the regular line guys soon outnumbered the scabs, and you have the CAL of today.
To really answer your question, though, the CAL was not ALPA for years after the bankruptcy. When the scabs outnumbered the ALPA guys, they had either no union or an independent union. In time, ALPA saw the benefit from bringing the CAL pilots back in house and eventually won the right to represent the CAL pilots. At the time, you could say "ALPA" forgave the scabs to "bring it all in house". However, on an individual basis, I can promise you that the scabs were not forgiven by most. I witnessed this in the late 90's as a new hire at UPS with several ex-CAL guys that didn't want to go back.
So, the scab list remains. The choice to "forgive" is more of an individual thing than a corporate ALPA thing. I'd say ALPA did forgive because it was in their own best interests, yet, the scab list remains and the word "scab" is highly inflammatory to this day.
Hope that helps.
JoelT
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That's just something I don't mess around with. Who cares about the whether or not I will be able to fly again, I just want to live.
I had something similar a few months ago. First, I am a severe hypochondriac so, consider this as I tell the long story that I will try to make short (I had a similar episode with testicular cancer two years ago, turned out to be something way more minor). I thought a felt some minor chest pains. The more I thought about it the more it hurt. If I didn't think about them then I was fine but, as soon as I started thinking about the pains they would come back.
Even though I am a hypochondriac I hate going to the doc. So, I tried to rationalize away my fears. I mean, I am 33 y/o, 6'0", but my weight was around 227. I thought that I had no family history of heart disease until my told me that my uncle had a heart attack in his forties
. Scared the hell out of me, I called the doc the next day. I went in for a FULL physical (things went places I don't care to talk about) and, everything checked out just fine. However, my cholesterol is a little high.
So, I have hit the gym with a vengeance. I have started eating better (thanks Blackberry Calorie Counter) and I have dropped about fifteen pounds. My goal is to hit 180 lbs by Christmas. I absolutely LOVE going to the gym and throwing around some free-weights. Machines are for wussies (I've become a bit of a gym snob as well. That's probably a good thing).
Anyway, folks, this is the kind of stuff you just don't mess around with. I have an 18 month old daughter and I want to be around to see my great-grand-kids.
DE727UPS
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"Nice job. You had to out him here as a scab. Not even I am so low as to do something like that."
Seems like Velo hates me more than scabs. Quite the conundrum for him....
I mean no disrespect to Capt Craig Lenell. However, I think the fact that his name is on the scab list is worth noting here. It's been all over APC yet nobody here mentioned it. It's nothing personal against CAL, or ALPA, nor is it meant as flamebait. It's just a fact.
Seems like Velo hates me more than scabs. Quite the conundrum for him....
I mean no disrespect to Capt Craig Lenell. However, I think the fact that his name is on the scab list is worth noting here. It's been all over APC yet nobody here mentioned it. It's nothing personal against CAL, or ALPA, nor is it meant as flamebait. It's just a fact.
JoelT
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Other way around. The Eastern thing did not happen until after CAL '83. Eastern strike was in '90.
I would go into more detail but, baby is crying. Got to go be dad...