jhugz
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I nvr thought I would say this but...:yeahthat:
Continental pilot dies in flight
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I nvr thought I would say this but...:yeahthat:
Screaming_Emu
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It depends on the situation. Beautiful day in an airport that I'm familiar with I might be more apt to do it myself. Weather like today in EWR where I'll have to shoot an instrument approach, I'd be more apt to ask for help. It really depends on the situation.
To me its not outside the abilities of certain groups to somehow poison one of the crew members and use the resulting situation to get someone up front. Unlikely, but in my mind as a current f/o (not sure what your background is), its not worth the risk.
MikeOH58
Well-Known Member
So what are your feelings on Doctor/Nurse/Medical Passengers responding to the cockpit? Would you allow them to enter to provide treatment?
When 121 pilots take checkrides, is it single pilot?
jhugz
Well-Known Member
We tend to always give someone a free pass on their judgement or thought process when the airplane gets on the ground safely but honestly mistakes can still be made from which we can learn from even if the outcome was good. Add a couple more variables in here and there and those same decisions may cost lives. What happens if he tanks an engine single pilot? Would you be able to handle that single pilot? ALL AVAILABLE RESOURCES is like AV101.
KLB
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I agree with Velo. If they can reduce my workload some, I'd have them up there. I wouldn't necessarily be relinquishing the controls over to them, but they could definitely work the radios and read the checklist.
tonyw
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So, then, if I'm flying on a VFR day to an airport I've been to 100 times and can find with my eyes closed, I guess I should file a flight plan, program it into the GPS, lock in the VOR, and use the autopilot as well?
It is up to the pilot in command to make the decision on how to proceed. It's his call, not yours, not mine, and certainly not some doofus in the media's.
I'm not saying, by the way, that your view isn't valid and that if you did it, people should second guess you. But by the same token, if someone else decides that bringing an unknown person into the cockpit isn't something he wants to do, then that's his call and it shouldn't be second guessed, either.
jhugz
Well-Known Member
All the time. It's called Cockpit Resource Management.
SPRM is a new term special emphasis area that was just added into all PTS's. Just an fYi.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I used to do OE at brand X. I got to fly with pilots who were trained to operate an aircraft type.
Guess what? First leg out of the box....usually single pilot. However, you get used to it.
Take a line guy whose never done OE, then add the adrenaline of the situation, then add a pilot who may have never seen that cockpit before.
It could possibly add to the workload of the remaining pilot. Perhaps to the point of task saturation.
Guess what? First leg out of the box....usually single pilot. However, you get used to it.
Take a line guy whose never done OE, then add the adrenaline of the situation, then add a pilot who may have never seen that cockpit before.
It could possibly add to the workload of the remaining pilot. Perhaps to the point of task saturation.
Yes, CRM was initially Cockpit, became crew, and now I guess there is indeed the new SPRM, as you say. Cool stuff!
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I'd do it for free wearing my backpack and my earbuds from the Ipod blaring some good ole' fashioned Dave Matthews Band.
I'm such a thread hijacker today.
coa787
Unknown Member
What? EWR has ILS. Just tune the frequency (if it doesn't tune automatically) and hit two buttons, and you're golden, right?
rd757
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What? EWR has ILS. Just tune the frequency (if it doesn't tune automatically) and hit two buttons, and you're golden, right?
Go for it my man.
RD
brent p h
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Where do I sign up?:rawk:
juxtapilot
Snowflake
You mean even with your vast experience you can't handle it single pilot!?
I'm glad to see that you're professional enough to ask for help even if you might not need it. Two thumbs up for Velo.
It is interesting, post 9/11, that there might be worry that a medical incapacitation of a flight crew member may have been a planned event in order to allow a "doctor" or a "commercial pilot" in the cabin to enter and "help with the situation".
You never know.
ClearedToThe
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And you think having a random Peter Pilot (who has potentially zero time in a transport category airplane) up there with you is gonna *reduce* your workload? You gotta be kidding me.
This is probably how your described situation would play out...
FO: Engine Fire immediate action items
Peter Pilot: The What?
FO: Immediate action items card
Peter Pilot: Where is that?
I think you can see the point I am getting at here. There is a very fine line between an additional crewmember being a RESOURCE and being a DISTRACTION.
Personally I believe it would be alot easier to throw on the AP and grab the checklist myself.
Also on the issues of the radio...most FOMs suggest the captain takes the radio and allows to FO to fly so each question from ATC isn't followed by a "What do you want me to tell them?" conversation in the flight deck between the two crewmembers. Now imagine having Peter Pilot up there working the radios. You don't think he's gonna ask you to confirm every radio transmission he is gonna make? You might as well make the radio calls yourself at that point before his constant questioning on the radio becomes a distraction.
Just my $.02