Conflicts with a captain that results in termination.

Bumblebee said:
I had one at SkyWest. He is the reason I developed the Professional Standards program there. He was fired before I could get it implemented. He was a real piece of work.
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Was this guy J.K. out of SLC? Back in 2006 I flew with the biggest pos on the planet. I was a newbie and didnt want to start shazzle but three of my buddies walked into the chiefs office with written statements and got the guy fired. Thank God there was no union to get that ass clown his job back. Six years later I still have fantasy's of being in a cage match with the guy.
 
I think I am the only person who gets along with all the pilot group. I always find something we both have in common outside our jobs and the day goes by so much smoother. I think this also helps with them respecting my opinion more even as a lowly first year.
 
With all due respect. In a perfect world, the unions pro-standards folks would have had a come to jesus meeting with said ass-clown which would have supposedly modified his behavior in the cockpit. That's how it's supposed to work. Cage match fantasies can sometimes be more fulfilling. More power to that....
 
Cessnaflyer said:
I think I am the only person who gets along with all the pilot group. I always find something we both have in common outside our jobs and the day goes by so much smoother. I think this also helps with them respecting my opinion more even as a lowly first year.
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Generally, I thinks that's what we all do. Its tough to have to travel with someone all the time let alone having to spend a foot or less away from them for extended periods and NOT be able to come up with some common ground. Its just part of the job, we'd all be pretty miserable if we didn't.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
I think I am the only person who gets along with all the pilot group. I always find something we both have in common outside our jobs and the day goes by so much smoother. I think this also helps with them respecting my opinion more even as a lowly first year.
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This job is, or should be, easy.

The common ground is, or should be:
(1) Don't get anyone killed
(2) Don't violate any FARs
(3) Don't violate Company policy/SOP/FOM
(4) Don't be shown on a continuous live feed to Fox News or on YouTube. Barring mechanical problems or crazy passengers, you should be fine with this point if points 1-3 are accomplished.

We all have personalities, too, but the reality is you have to set some of your personality aside and get the job done.

TwoTwoLeft said:
Generally, I thinks that's what we all do. Its tough to have to travel with someone all the time let alone having to spend a foot or less away from them for extended periods and NOT be able to come up with some common ground. Its just part of the job, we'd all be pretty miserable if we didn't.
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Affirmative. Hopefully everyone involved actually likes flying, too. Because if you're flying with someone who hates it, your life will be miserable for the next four days.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
I think I am the only person who gets along with all the pilot group. I always find something we both have in common outside our jobs and the day goes by so much smoother. I think this also helps with them respecting my opinion more even as a lowly first year.
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I know somebody who thinks they were just turned down at a Legacy because they answered a question like this. When asked to tell a time about a conflict with another crewmember they responded that they got along with everybody. Apparently the CP doing the interview jumped on that answer and it went downhill from there.
 
BobDDuck said:
I know somebody who thinks they were just turned down at a Legacy because they answered a question like this. When asked to tell a time about a conflict with another crewmember they responded that they got along with everybody. Apparently the CP doing the interview jumped on that answer and it went downhill from there.
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I thus far have not personally had a disagreement that was so severe I seriously considered banging off a trip, but most disagreements are pretty easy to resolve.

"I'm sorry if I was a (feminine hygiene product) earlier, I just (thought, felt, expected ___)."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I thus far have not personally had a disagreement that was so severe I seriously considered banging off a trip, but most disagreements are pretty easy to resolve.

"I'm sorry if I was a (feminine hygiene product) earlier, I just (thought, felt, expected ___)."
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I've only had to pack my flightcase once, and we ended up resolving the issue before I dialed crew scheduling to call out sick. Anybody who's been in this business for more than a few days has bumped up against something they weren't happy with. How they resolved it is the big thing (and the point of an interviewer asking the question).
 
Not commenting on this particular situation, of course, but I'm extremely wary of Pro Standards Commitees in general (and I've been on one!) It seems extremely difficult walk the line between being toothless and turning in to an episode of Survivor wherein "standards" are a euphemism for "popularity".
 
BobDDuck said:
I've only had to pack my flightcase once, and we ended up resolving the issue before I dialed crew scheduling to call out sick. Anybody who's been in this business for more than a few days has bumped up against something they weren't happy with. How they resolved it is the big thing (and the point of an interviewer asking the question).
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I've been there before too. Once you are in the industry long enough HR will assume that you have had one person you didn't care for or get along with in the cockpit. When asked in an interview just know how to answer it. As professional pilots we all should be able to find common ground for X hours to safely complete a flight.
 
BobDDuck said:
I know somebody who thinks they were just turned down at a Legacy because they answered a question like this. When asked to tell a time about a conflict with another crewmember they responded that they got along with everybody. Apparently the CP doing the interview jumped on that answer and it went downhill from there.
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I flew with one captain that everyone called in sick with. He was a grumpy guy but I would always start out conversations with "what's new" and roll with whatever made him mad that day. By the end of the day he invited my wife and I on his catamaran for a Sunday. I flew with another captain that wanted to change all he SOPs and I was fresh out of IOE. I told him since I was new I would like to stick to SOPs to keep us both out of trouble and he was cool with it.
 
Chief Captain said:
What if the guy who runs the professional standards program is an a-- h---?
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By the way the program works, it shouldn't matter.

If prostan hasn't addressed the issue to your liking, have a chat with your rep. If your rep doesn't address the issue to your satisfaction, chat with the chief pilot on or off the record.
 
Derg said:
By the way the program works, it shouldn't matter.

If prostan hasn't addressed the issue to your liking, have a chat with your rep. If your rep doesn't address the issue to your satisfaction, chat with the chief pilot on or off the record.
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That depends on how chill your chief pilot is.
 
Derg said:
By the way the program works, it shouldn't matter.

If prostan hasn't addressed the issue to your liking, have a chat with your rep. If your rep doesn't address the issue to your satisfaction, chat with the chief pilot on or off the record.
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Fortunately, I haven't had to actually use the program before. However, I have flown with one guy who was a real piece of work, and later found out he was the prof. standards rep for my base.
 
Most processes, (union and company) are designed to prevent some idiot in power from becoming a tin-pot despot, as well as protect employees from tin-pot despots with megalomaniacal egos.

In life-and-death matters, most processes allow some form of immediate action to prevent a disaster. But to be successful, you have to use the process and use it wisely.

Or get off the bus while it's still on the ground.
 
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