MidlifeFlyer
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Commercial training question
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Mike H
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I've stayed out of this so far because I'm not sure I understand the question being asked. Not that I've ever been stopped by that before, but I'm trying hard to change.
If the flights in question are the dual instruction 100nm day VFR & 100nm night VFR x-country flights, Midlife's answer that "Because the regs say so." is correct.
The reason the regs say so is because these are supposed to be instuctional flights covering the Areas of Operation listed in 61.127 (b)(1). Granted, you do most of those things listed on any x-country flight (or should), but these particular flights are part of the 20 hours of dual instruction required for the rating.
If the flights in question are the dual instruction 100nm day VFR & 100nm night VFR x-country flights, Midlife's answer that "Because the regs say so." is correct.
The reason the regs say so is because these are supposed to be instuctional flights covering the Areas of Operation listed in 61.127 (b)(1). Granted, you do most of those things listed on any x-country flight (or should), but these particular flights are part of the 20 hours of dual instruction required for the rating.
AviatorGator
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Sounds like you've got it.
Just don't forget that the 100 mile XC flights are now Day and Night, not Day VFR and Night VFR. I believe the language was officially changed in October.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
The 20 hours dual instruction, does any dual time after a PPL count? (I say yes)
CoffeeIcePapers
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As long as it is something in the areas of operation in 61.127, I would say so.
MidlifeFlyer
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Sure.
Unless you're in a Part 141 school, there's no such thing as "going for a certificate or rating" in the sense that you're enrolling in or making a regulatory commitment to something.
Other than the policy considerations (many of which are to meet ICAO requirements), I think the general concept is that the type of stuff you will do on a post-private cross country will be qualitatively different than what you will do on a student pilot cross country. One would hope that to be true.
It has to be post Private Pilot Certificate?
You couldn't take a 16 year old, do some longer dual flights in preparation for becoming age-qualified and knock out the checkride at that point?
(serious question - I don't believe the regs state that it has to be done after a student earns their private pilot certificate but I could be wrong).
-mini
You couldn't take a 16 year old, do some longer dual flights in preparation for becoming age-qualified and knock out the checkride at that point?
(serious question - I don't believe the regs state that it has to be done after a student earns their private pilot certificate but I could be wrong).
-mini
MidlifeFlyer
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There are a series of answers to in the old Part 61 FAQ that talk about no double-dipping and suggest that it has to be post-PPL:
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QUESTIONS: § 61.123(h) requires a private (or military equivalent) to be eligible for the commercial. Now, § 61.129(a)(3) refers to § 61.127(b)(1) and for a commercial ASEL there is a list of items on which training must be done. Of those, all apply to private except (x) which, being high altitude, legitimately is a commercial issue.
QUESTION 1: Must the training specified in § 61.129(a)(3) be accomplished after a private certificate is acquired and the decision was made to start commercial training?
ANSWER 1: Ref. § 61.123(e)(1) and (f); YES. The training must be accomplished after getting a private pilot certificate FIRST.
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I agree with what you say, though. I don't think that Lynch considered the scenario in which a young pilot prepares for his private, instrument and commercial and then takes his tests when he comes of age. I think the answer would change in that scenario but if I was faced with the situation, I'd ask for an opinion from either Flight Standards or Legal.
I was thinking that.
The FAQ is nice and all, but somehow I don't think it would hold any weight if you were pulled in to do a carpet dance. One more legal interpretation I need to become motivated enough to ask for. :beer:
-mini