Commercial Manuvers

* Area of Operation V: Performance Maneuver

o B. Task Steep Spiral
+ This task is new
+ Objective. To determine that the applicant:
1. Exhibits knowledge of the elements related to a steep spiral.
2. Selects an altitude sufficient to continue through a series of at least three 360degree turns.
3. Selects a suitable ground reference point.
4. Applies wind-drift correction to track a constant radius circle around selected reference point with bank not to exceed 60 degrees at steepest point in turn.
5. Divides attention between airplane control and ground track, while maintaining coordinated flight.
6. Maintains the specified airspeed, +-10 knots, rolls out toward object or specified heading, +-10degrees.

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* Area of Operation IX: Emergency Operations

o Removed task: Emergency Descent
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So, as far as the PTS states, the spiral is not an Emergency Descent. The idea is to put the plane down in a confined area. Say a small valley, with mountains on all sides. Since the Arrow doesn't do it too well with gear down, not to mention flaps, I left them both up, and the DE seemed happy with that.

If anyone is thinking on their commercial work, done more than a year ago, take a look at that new PTS. There are some little changes. Nothing big, just make sure you are trained to the current PTS for your checkride.
 
When I did my commercial training, I did all my practicing/maneuvers in a Cessna 172 until I was prepared. I then went to ATP and did their 10-hour multi-add on course.

On my final day (Day 4) of the ATP course I took the 172 with me. I basically had 2 checkrides/orals that day. First I had the basic Commercial ASEL oral/checkride. Then we did the multi oral/checkride.

By flying the Seminole with the examiner for the multi ride, I demonstrated proficiency in a complex aircraft for the Commercial ASEL. It was a long day, but by the end of the day I had my Single and Multi Commercial Certificates.

This method will definitely save you some money if you are planning on getting your multi-engine rating at some point.
 
Ready2Fly,

In your defense, its a confusing topic. The FAA added this manauever into the PTS about 2 years ago I think. But there arent really ready references to how it should be done. the PTS calls it steep but doesnt list any minimum bank angle, I had a student who argued he could do it at any bank angle since no min was listed...

I think Flight Training had an article about this mystery maneuver, and I think somewhere a year back I even posted a thread about selecting the proper airspeed to fly this at...

Hope that your day was better
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Bluelake
 
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When I did my commercial training, I did all my practicing/maneuvers in a Cessna 172 until I was prepared. I then went to ATP and did their 10-hour multi-add on course.

On my final day (Day 4) of the ATP course I took the 172 with me. I basically had 2 checkrides/orals that day. First I had the basic Commercial ASEL oral/checkride. Then we did the multi oral/checkride.

By flying the Seminole with the examiner for the multi ride, I demonstrated proficiency in a complex aircraft for the Commercial ASEL. It was a long day, but by the end of the day I had my Single and Multi Commercial Certificates.

This method will definitely save you some money if you are planning on getting your multi-engine rating at some point.

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I was actually thinking about this today... were you pleased with the results? Also, that would count as your multi-engine commercial wouldnt it?
 
Ok, that's not exactly what I meant to say. What I meant to say was, he gave your your CSEL without doing the complex proficiency, or did you have to pass both to get you SEL? Do you see what Im saying?
 
mastermags,

The way the examiner explained it to me was that we would do the Commercial-Single Oral first, then we would go up in the single and do all the maneuvers. Then after we landed, we would go ahead and do the Commercial-Multi oral. However, the single checkride actually would continue for about the first 3-tenths of an hour in the Seminole so I could demonstrate my proficiency in a complex aircraft. Then the mutli ride would begin.

That is exactly how it went. The multi was the add-on, I just used the Seminole to demonstrate proficiency in a complex aircraft. I don't believe it was an all or nothing thing. If I would have messed up on something during the multi ride after I demonstrated proficiency with a complex, I still believe I would have gotten the CSEL. I am not 100% sure on that.

I was very happy with it overall. It was alot in a short period of time, but it felt good when it was over.
 
mastermags,

Also, it did count for both my Commercial ASEL and Commercial AMEL. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be glad to give your more details.
 
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