Coming in With a PPL..

av8or91 said:
You better be able to take them on x/c's...they have autopilot. Gives you chance to catch up on some much needed sleep and monitor you progress on the display while at the same time looking for traffic witht he ads-b. Wonder if they will get xm radio too. :)
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VFR what?

looking around outside? pfft.
 
av8or91 said:
Anyone know if they are getting the SP(180 HP) version or just the R(160 HP) version. Either way its going to be pretty nice having a new fully fuel injected fleet of cessnas. Hopefully they paint them in some color scheme so they dont look like every other cessna out there.




maybe some mooney acclaim's will replace the arrows:nana2:
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i don't forsee that, but who knows.
 
find out what the minimum is to test course, I think it's like 30 hours, come in with the minimum and do the test course, that would be the cheapest way.

I went in with a PPL and it was fine, it cost me what, about 15 hours of flying and 3 credits, I don't see what all the fuss is about compared to the rest of the expense of going there, which I wouldn't do over I can assure you.
 
BuickCFI said:
172SP's no R's
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Well thats nice, I've flown both a there is deffinetly a noticable power difference between the two. But now im just really wondering what they will do when it comes time to replace the seminoles and arrows. Something tells me those will be here for a while.
 
Farva said:
The Avit 221 course is as stated a basic IFR flying and a good majority of the flying will be solo XC.
- Farva
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Ok going back to what we were talking about...
I'm also considering UND and have already gotten my PPL almost a year ago and I've decided to wait to get my Instrument rating until I go to UND. I still have another year of high school left and will probably have all my cross country hours done required for the instrument rating before I come to UND so will I get to skip the Avit 221 course and get my instrument rating sooner?
 
av8or91 said:
You better be able to take them on x/c's...they have autopilot. Gives you chance to catch up on some much needed sleep and monitor you progress on the display while at the same time looking for traffic witht he ads-b. Wonder if they will get xm radio too. :)
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no autopilots, no xm weather or radio. unless students want to start paying a lot more $$$$/hour
 
eric6887 said:
Ok going back to what we were talking about...
I'm also considering UND and have already gotten my PPL almost a year ago and I've decided to wait to get my Instrument rating until I go to UND. I still have another year of high school left and will probably have all my cross country hours done required for the instrument rating before I come to UND so will I get to skip the Avit 221 course and get my instrument rating sooner?
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Im going to say no, you will probably not be able to skip 221. 221 is not only cross country stuff, you also learn the basics on how to fly and navigate solely on reference to instruments. 222 is where you actually start doing approaches and learning instrument procedure and regs. You will remain a private pilot all the way up to commercial multi where you will get you instrument rating.
 
http://www.studentservices.aero.und.edu/f2_Program Information/f1_Flight Course Policy/index.php
Student Services said:
COURSES:

Private Pilot
AVIT 102 - Intro to Aviation

Commercial, Instrument, Multi-Engine
AVIT 221 - Basic Attitude Instrument Flying
AVIT 222 - IFR Regulations & Procedures
AVIT 323 - Aerodynamics - Airplanes
AVIT 324 - Aircraft Systems
AVIT 325 - Multi-Engine Systems & Procedures



POLICY:

No Private Pilot Certificate but has flight experience.
All students are required to complete Aviation 102 (Private Pilot Ground School). Those with LESS than 30 hours of flight experience will be required to complete the entire Aviation 102 flight syllabus. Students with MORE than 30 hours (as approved by the Aviation 102 Course Manager) will be allowed to fly in the Private Pilot Test course flight syllabus, leading to the Private Pilot Certification. The number of flight lessons will vary depending on the flight experience of the individual student.

Private Pilot Certificate only.
All students are required to complete Aviation 102 (Private Pilot Ground School) and Private Pilot Test course flight lessons (regardless of how much flight experience). The Private Pilot Test course is a minimum of fourteen flight lessons, and costs will vary according to the flying experience of the student.

Private Pilot Certificate with Instrument Rating.
The same policy applies as for Private Pilot Certificate only. Students are required to complete the entire Commercial/Instrument Pilot Airplane - SMEL course under Part 141.

Commercial Pilot Certificate with No Instrument Rating.
Aviation 102 waived. Students are required to complete the entire Commercial/Instrument Pilot Airplane - SMEL course under Part 141. The following Aviation courses (ground schools) are required: Aviation: 221, 222, 323, 324 and 325.

Commercial Pilot Certificate with Instrument Rating and with or without a Multi Engine Rating.
Aviation 102 is waived. Students are required to complete the Commercial Pilot Test course (part 61), Instrument Rating course (part 61), Multi Engine course (part 61). In addition, the following Aviation courses (ground schools) are required: Aviation: 221, 222, 323, 324 and 325.The Commercial Pilot Test course consists of sixteen flight lessons and academic courses 323 and 324(taken concurrently). The Instrument Rating course consists of eighteen flight lessons and academic courses 221 and 222 (taken concurrently). The Multi Engine course consists of thirty-two flight lessons and academic course 325.

Flight Instructor Certificate, ATP: Refer to commercial pilot certificate policy. UND does not have a test course for certificates/ratings beyond the commercial certification.

Once a student has enrolled at UND all subsequent flight training required in the academic major must be completed in residence. Flight training at other schools while enrolled at UND is not permitted. Students who receive flight training elsewhere while attending UND Aerospace will not receive credit for that training.
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eric6887 said:
Ok going back to what we were talking about...
I'm also considering UND and have already gotten my PPL almost a year ago and I've decided to wait to get my Instrument rating until I go to UND. I still have another year of high school left and will probably have all my cross country hours done required for the instrument rating before I come to UND so will I get to skip the Avit 221 course and get my instrument rating sooner?
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Oh boy... UND won't let you skip anything. You will even need to redo the PPL with their "test course." There were people in my 221 class who already had their IR. The courses are part 141, so skipping any course is not possible. Since you already have your PPL, think long and hard about going to UND, really do your research. Try to find opinions that haven't been influenced by UND's shiny publications and advertising.

Here is what I would recommend. This is what I completely regret not doing. Since you have a year left of high school and you PPL, go to an FBO and get as much flying done as you possibly can. Do you think you would be able to fly during August and get most of your IR done? After your IR (let's say you finish by December) do you comm and so on. You could probably get your comm done by this time next year at the latest. If you are really good, get your CFI and go instruct at UND if you really want to live in Grand Forks.:D Whatever you choose to do, good luck to ya!
 
eric6887 said:
Ok going back to what we were talking about...
I'm also considering UND and have already gotten my PPL almost a year ago and I've decided to wait to get my Instrument rating until I go to UND. I still have another year of high school left and will probably have all my cross country hours done required for the instrument rating before I come to UND so will I get to skip the Avit 221 course and get my instrument rating sooner?
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Oh and by the way, you don't get your instrument rating until you are done with AVIT 325. Even if you call Student Services and ask when you will get your instrument ticket, they will tell you that your instrument training is AVIT 221 and 222. I think they want you to assume that you will get your IR ticket after 222. Silly me for thinking you'd get your IR ticket after you've done your training. That would be so goofy! :crazy:
 
juxtapilot said:
Oh and by the way, you don't get your instrument rating until you are done with AVIT 325. Even if you call Student Services and ask when you will get your instrument ticket, they will tell you that your instrument training is AVIT 221 and 222. I think they want you to assume that you will get your IR ticket after 222. Silly me for thinking you'd get your IR ticket after you've done your training. That would be so goofy! :crazy:
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in UND's eyes though, after 222 your are an instrument rated pilot. after 323 a commercial ASEL, and 325 is AMEL.
 
juxtapilot said:
Oh and by the way, you don't get your instrument rating until you are done with AVIT 325. Even if you call Student Services and ask when you will get your instrument ticket, they will tell you that your instrument training is AVIT 221 and 222. I think they want you to assume that you will get your IR ticket after 222. Silly me for thinking you'd get your IR ticket after you've done your training. That would be so goofy! :crazy:
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Yeah... but who the hell cares, really? How many students do you think would actually go out and fly IFR in between finishing 222 and 325? I would guess, VERY few. I mean, I hardly ever just go out and fly IFR for fun as it is. If you are going for a joy ride with your friends and family (which is what most people do when they go home from UND) they don't want to be punching clouds and shooting approaches, believe me.
 
I agree, Personally I wouldn't go IFR by myself at this point, especially with family/friends. I know I could and I could probably get by alright but I definitely am not comfortable going into actual conditions alone right now. I wouldn't use the IFR ticket anyway, need more experience before I go up so getting all the ratings/certificates after 325 is all good for me, no rush anyway.

I barely dented the 140 hour mark at the moment, having the CSEL and IFR wouldn't help much. I'm much more excited to do CFI/CFII, that is gonna be an accomplishment. :nana2:
 
BuickCFI said:
in UND's eyes though, after 222 your are an instrument rated pilot. after 323 a commercial ASEL, and 325 is AMEL.
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Why don't they give them the rating? I'm just saying that UND will try to tell students, that they'll have their IR after 222. That is absolutly not true.

airplanerik said:
Yeah... but who the hell cares, really? How many students do you think would actually go out and fly IFR in between finishing 222 and 325? I would guess, VERY few. I mean, I hardly ever just go out and fly IFR for fun as it is. If you are going for a joy ride with your friends and family (which is what most people do when they go home from UND) they don't want to be punching clouds and shooting approaches, believe me.
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Maybe I am one of the few who would actually use their instrument rating... So I care... I find punching holes in clouds and shooting approaches to be a hell of a lot more fun than flying around VFR all day. Joyrides with the family are fine every now and again, but I'd really like to zip up IFR to Seattle or Spokane.

And with my luck while at UND, it sure would be nice to have an Instrument rating if the weather when to crap on a 323 cross country.
 
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