Comair the end?

N30TN said:
It's funny how all the Comair threads are being hijacked and not staying on the subject.

I guess you are all in denial about the future of Comair, whoever is a Comair employee on this thread.
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Nah, there's just a certain point when the topic has been discussed to death and people get bored and "drift".

I'm totally guilty of that and I sort of apologize.... a little.

I've been flying to put food on my table (well, and a lot more too) as a sole source of income since 1993, that's 17 years. In those 17 years, 95% of was spent with uncertain thoughts, rumors of doom, talk of a beckoning golden age, "four to six weeks there's gonna be a BIG announcement!", the much gossiped-about "100 seat solution at Delta", hell, you name it.

After this crisis is over, there'll be another one.

Then another one.

"An upcoming announcement is on the horizon!"

Some will come to fruition. Some will not.

I just don't get too worked up about internet rumors any more. Even when they come true, I still have to put on the epaulets, get to work, do my job.

If my company folds one day, well, I have to put on the "Good Humor" cap, drive the truck, serve the ice cream.

Life's far, FAR too short and too good to spiral around in the cesspool of doom every day. Take a mental break from time to time, it's healthy! :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, there's just a certain point when the topic has been discussed to death and people get bored and "drift".

I'm totally guilty of that and I sort of apologize.... a little.

I've been flying to put food on my table (well, and a lot more too) as a sole source of income since 1993, that's 17 years. In those 17 years, 95% of was spent with uncertain thoughts, rumors of doom, talk of a beckoning golden age, "four to six weeks there's gonna be a BIG announcement!", the much gossiped-about "100 seat solution at Delta", hell, you name it.

After this crisis is over, there'll be another one.

Then another one.

"An upcoming announcement is on the horizon!"

Some will come to fruition. Some will not.

I just don't get too worked up about internet rumors any more. Even when they come true, I still have to put on the epaulets, get to work, do my job.

If my company folds one day, well, I have to put on the "Good Humor" cap, drive the truck, serve the ice cream.

Life's far, FAR too short and too good to spiral around in the cesspool of doom every day. Take a mental break from time to time, it's healthy! :)
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Exactly that.
 
N30TN said:
You are the person who started the September 1st announcement rumor along with SKYW acquiring Comair.
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If you need the webboard rumors to confirm or deny what rumors you hear, you are gonna go insane. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. You or I or the people on this or any other board have no control over it, the bean counters do. Drink some beer, get wasted, and live it up. Lifes too short to get stressed about stuff you hear on the internet. We are in a profession where unless you are number 1 on a senority list, your never gonna be happy. And even that's not a given. Look at guys from Pan Am, or Eastern or TWA.
 
nc1982 said:
We are in a profession where unless you are number 1 on a senority list, your never gonna be happy.
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One's personal happiness should have no connection with their job situation. Ever.

< Caution; the statement to follow is about generic "you", not specific "you". >

If the bad things about your job are keeping you from being happy, you're doing it wrong.
 
Here what's happened to me since January '06. Hired-fired-hired-upgraded-furloughed-hired-furloughed-recalled. I was there when my company was gonna shut down. I'm now at the bottom of a seniority list on second year FO pay, commuting, and reading junior captains' (who've obviously grown tired of being junior captains) posts on my company board that are all about doom and gloom. Throughout these last few years I've been just fine. So there you have it. Even down here in the Regional FO depths there are happy people.
 
N30TN said:
I guess you are all in denial about the future of Comair, whoever is a Comair employee on this thread.
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I'm not in denial. I'm just kind of sick of taking about it now. All the CPs are saying there will be an announcement on Sept. 1. Great, I'll wait until then if it happens. No sense in losing any sleep over it right now.
 
CRJDriver said:
I'm not in denial. I'm just kind of sick of taking about it now. All the CPs are saying there will be an announcement on Sept. 1. Great, I'll wait until then if it happens. No sense in losing any sleep over it right now.
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Hey man, I know you were talking a few months ago about another job opportunity in MI. Any chance you can get back to that?
 
Big announcement what a joke, I haven't seen one internet rumor on OH come to life yet... The 1st or 2nd might be bad or will come and go just as usual, funny how so many terrible rumors are floating right before contract negotiations began with just about all the union employees at OH, the mechanics, FA's, Pilots, etc. all start this fall, you better believe management are gonna use all tools available to scare each group into signing terrible contracts...
 
SteveC said:
One's personal happiness should have no connection with their job situation. Ever.

< Caution; the statement to follow is about generic "you", not specific "you". >

If the bad things about your job are keeping you from being happy, you're doing it wrong.
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I can't agree with you, Steve, and the 20% of attorney's who suffer from depression at any given point probably wouldn't either. To give you a reference point, 6.7% of the overall population suffers from depression.

Argue it away however you'd like, but there ARE people out there "doing it right" and still get the short end. That's life.
 
nc1982 said:
Hey man, I know you were talking a few months ago about another job opportunity in MI. Any chance you can get back to that?
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I turned them down because I accepted recall instead. If worse comes to worse I can always ask, but I think that bridge is burned unfortunately. It wasn't an easy decision!
 
jtrain609 said:
I can't agree with you, Steve, and the 20% of attorney's who suffer from depression at any given point probably wouldn't either. To give you a reference point, 6.7% of the overall population suffers from depression.
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Just means that people that gravitate to that profession are more prone to depression than the general population. Not causal.

Argue it away however you'd like, but there ARE people out there "doing it right" and still get the short end. That's life.
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You're equating "the short end" with a necessity to be unhappy. I don't agree that it is a given that people with less than ideal circumstances can't be happier than people that "have it all".

Happiness is an internal condition. Many (most?) people let external factors influence their happiness, but there is no requirement that it does so. That's the point I'm trying to make.
 
SteveC said:
Just means that people that gravitate to that profession are more prone to depression than the general population. Not causal.
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I think that's skirting the issue, but if that's what you believe, then that's fine. I believe you're wrong.



You're equating "the short end" with a necessity to be unhappy. I don't agree that it is a given that people with less than ideal circumstances can't be happier than people that "have it all".

Happiness is an internal condition. Many (most?) people let external factors influence their happiness, but there is no requirement that it does so. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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I think you're right up to a point. I think there is statistical data that disagrees with you. As I said, you can argue it out however you wish; the folks that suffer from depression due to a given profession won't agree with you, and neither will I.

But nobody said we needed to agree all the time.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I've been flying to put food on my table (well, and a lot more too) as a sole source of income since 1993, that's 17 years. In those 17 years, 95% of was spent with uncertain thoughts, rumors of doom, talk of a beckoning golden age, "four to six weeks there's gonna be a BIG announcement!", the much gossiped-about "100 seat solution at Delta", hell, you name it.

...

Life's far, FAR too short and too good to spiral around in the cesspool of doom every day. Take a mental break from time to time, it's healthy!
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:clap: You've got to stay positive. Having viewed the results of the ups-and-downs of the business as a kid in an airline household (and now looking at this rather weird business while job hunting...) I think a positive point of view is necessary for survival. There were quite a few bleak times, but we survived. I daresay we were even happy in the face of the bleak times.

Yeah, what *could* happen *might* suck but there's an awful lot of speculation in that. In the meantime...keep flying. :rawk:
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, there's just a certain point when the topic has been discussed to death and people get bored and "drift".

I'm totally guilty of that and I sort of apologize.... a little.

I've been flying to put food on my table (well, and a lot more too) as a sole source of income since 1993, that's 17 years. In those 17 years, 95% of was spent with uncertain thoughts, rumors of doom, talk of a beckoning golden age, "four to six weeks there's gonna be a BIG announcement!", the much gossiped-about "100 seat solution at Delta", hell, you name it.

After this crisis is over, there'll be another one.

Then another one.

"An upcoming announcement is on the horizon!"

Some will come to fruition. Some will not.

I just don't get too worked up about internet rumors any more. Even when they come true, I still have to put on the epaulets, get to work, do my job.

If my company folds one day, well, I have to put on the "Good Humor" cap, drive the truck, serve the ice cream.

Life's far, FAR too short and too good to spiral around in the cesspool of doom every day. Take a mental break from time to time, it's healthy! :)
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Could be worse.

Could be a rumor that Delta is switching to all Pepsi products, or something like that.
 
MikeD said:
Could be worse.

Could be a rumor that Delta is switching to all Pepsi products, or something like that.
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Ha! ;)

I wouldn't really care either way. Fly the plane, cash the check! :)

In order to work as an airline employee and not end up an emotional basketcase, you have to let go of reason and learn to find peace.

Today there were a few hundred people waiting for our plane to get to the gate to go to Rome. No one, including the gate agents, knew where the plane was, it was just "out there" somewhere.

Angry crew, angry passengers, angry gate agent, loud terminal announcements, hot terminal, nowhere to sit, it was a very negative situation.

So I remembered Chester Cheetah from those Cheetos commercials where he says, "Linda... You have the tools...".

I threw a sweater on, took off my clip on tie and told the crew: "I can take three people to the Crown Room, but you have to put something on over your uniform, if you want to go I'm leaving in 12 seconds".

"Do you have a membership?"

"...10 seconds..."

"Can we even go in there?"

"...8 seconds..."

"...I don't know, is anyone else going?"

"...6 seconds..."

"...wait let me think about it..."

"...2 seconds..."

Then I just left. I kept my promise because I reached my limit, went to the Crown Room, got a fresh brewed espresso, a chocolate cookie and called my wife.

That's the same way you have to treat the airline business. Once you reach your limit, be honest and make a change.

Develop a "hubris" limitation. Once the hubris gets to a certain level, choose to emotionally divorce yourself from the situation or change it. But never by any measure wallow in it and let it consume you.

This isn't the first airline crisis at Comair. It certainly won't be the last.

And everyone else who is sitting around smugly thinking that they're above all this, believe you me, EVERYONE takes their swirl around the toilet bowl.

EVERYONE

And surviving that solely depends on you. There are those that have been through it, and those that will one day. It's historically impossible to have an absolutely unscathed airline career and those that think they will are living in a dream world.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Ha! ;)

I wouldn't really care either way. Fly the plane, cash the check! :)

In order to work as an airline employee and not end up an emotional basketcase, you have to let go of reason and learn to find peace.

Today there were a few hundred people waiting for our plane to get to the gate to go to Rome. No one, including the gate agents, knew where the plane was, it was just "out there" somewhere.

Angry crew, angry passengers, angry gate agent, loud terminal announcements, hot terminal, nowhere to sit, it was a very negative situation.

So I remembered Chester Cheetah from those Cheetos commercials where he says, "Linda... You have the tools...".

I threw a sweater on, took off my clip on tie and told the crew: "I can take three people to the Crown Room, but you have to put something on over your uniform, if you want to go I'm leaving in 12 seconds".

"Do you have a membership?"

"...10 seconds..."

"Can we even go in there?"

"...8 seconds..."

"...I don't know, is anyone else going?"

"...6 seconds..."

"...wait let me think about it..."

"...2 seconds..."

Then I just left. I kept my promise because I reached my limit, went to the Crown Room, got a fresh brewed espresso, a chocolate cookie and called my wife.

That's the same way you have to treat the airline business. Once you reach your limit, be honest and make a change.

Develop a "hubris" limitation. Once the hubris gets to a certain level, choose to emotionally divorce yourself from the situation or change it. But never by any measure wallow in it and let it consume you.

This isn't the first airline crisis at Comair. It certainly won't be the last.

And everyone else who is sitting around smugly thinking that they're above all this, believe you me, EVERYONE takes their swirl around the toilet bowl.

EVERYONE

And surviving that solely depends on you. There are those that have been through it, and those that will one day. It's historically impossible to have an absolutely unscathed airline career and those that think they will are living in a dream world.
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Very well played sir.

I like it. Linda...you have the tools.... lol great association also.
 
jtrain609 said:
I think you're right up to a point. I think there is statistical data that disagrees with you. As I said, you can argue it out however you wish; the folks that suffer from depression due to a given profession won't agree with you, and neither will I.

But nobody said we needed to agree all the time.
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I don't believe that people "suffer from depression due to a given profession" because I think it is much more complicated than that and has more to do with the people attracted to that field as opposed to the work environment itself. Enough on that I guess.


Anyway, I thought it kind of appropriate that while on my bike ride today this song played:

"Grandma and Grandpa
Came over this mountain
With a mule and a Bible
In an old Model T
Raised seven kids
Through the Great Depression
They could be happy
Why can't we

There's so much confusion
In this world of illusion
With all these possessions
We're taught to need
If people with nothing
Can still hold on to something
If they can be happy
Why can't we

But me, I want it, just gotta have it
If I don't get it, I believe I'll die
Ive got the money and I got the habit
I'm addicted to things that money can buy

There's so much confusion
In this world of illusion
With all these possessions
We're taught to need
If people with nothing
Can still hold on to something
If they can be happy
Why can't we

You and I we say with pride
We ain't never been satisfied
You can't hold happiness in your hand
How long 'til we understand
Cause when we come down to the River of Jordan
As we all must surely do someday
All our treasures will just be a burden
Something for someone else to throw away

There's so much confusion
In this world of illusion
With all these possessions
We're taught to need
If people with nothing
Can still hold on to something
If they can be happy
Why can't we

If they can be happy
Why can't we"

Like I said before, if we're letting our jobs make us miserable, we're doing it wrong.
 
Agree on the relax thing, but Spoilers and I are hearing the same stuff. Soap/Gump was the first of two shoes to fall. Next shoe will fall this week.

Something about Delta announcing that Comair needs to be "right-sized" a lot more.

Embrace the Suck. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/16575-comair-updates-1966.html
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