We are currently at 92 and are to officially be down to 89 for FY2009. At the beginning of the year we had 124. If this is true, then there will be a lot of senior guys that are going to be displaced and will feel the heat.50 50-seaters? Dang, down from what?
BTW, did you get our message?
Who is doing that?Yep..unfortunately 70-90 seat rjs being flown for 50 seat rates are where it's at now. Majors like it and regional pilots will continue to do it. So much growth at regionals has come on the back's of 70 seat pilots yet they have JACK to show for it. Pretty pathetic.
Regional pilots will fly whatever equipment is put in front of them for whatever price. The majority just care about movement/upgrade, pay is really secondary as evidenced by any number of carrier's pay rates.
Yeah - so what are you doing to improve these injustices?Yep..unfortunately 70-90 seat rjs being flown for 50 seat rates are where it's at now. Majors like it and regional pilots will continue to do it. So much growth at regionals has come on the back's of 70 seat pilots yet they have JACK to show for it. Pretty pathetic.
Regional pilots will fly whatever equipment is put in front of them for whatever price. The majority just care about movement/upgrade, pay is really secondary as evidenced by any number of carrier's pay rates.
If this happens, how do most regionals merge? Will they integrate seniority as well and keep the furloughed Comair guys for recall? (Hypothetically speaking of course)It's no secret that Delta is done with the 50 seat regional jets as far as in the role they have been in for the past 15-20 years. Ed Bastian even said that Delta is getting out of the RJ buying business. DCI will keep a small fleet of 50 seat regional jets. Comair just happens to be the first to get the fleet reduction due to it being wholly owned and controlled by Delta. There will be a merger between Comair and another wholly owned. The writing is on the wall, not matter how much Richard Anderson says there isn't. Of course he also said there wasn't going to be a merger with NWA when he took over Delta too!![]()
Could be worse...Isn't Mesaba flying the 90 at SAAB 340 rates? At least the FOs.Yep..unfortunately 70-90 seat rjs being flown for 50 seat rates are where it's at now. Majors like it and regional pilots will continue to do it. So much growth at regionals has come on the back's of 70 seat pilots yet they have JACK to show for it. Pretty pathetic.
More like they're flying S340s for CRJ FO rates. Their FO rates shame ours.Could be worse...Isn't Mesaba flying the 90 at SAAB 340 rates? At least the FOs.
We are in concessions still. Even that said when we are back fully we have the highest payscale in the industry For CA'sbar none regardless of A/C. Our Saab rates once snapped back are almost what 9E CA 200 rates are currently. We have very good soft pay work rules as well.Could be worse...Isn't Mesaba flying the 90 at SAAB 340 rates? At least the FOs.
True and thats in concessions. Our FO rates are something like 26.90 first year in 2010 or 11 and 33-34 for second year. The blended rate makes much more sense with FO's. It's not a position you bid and Im sorry some one with 500 - 1199 hours isn't worth more than 30K their first year. They aren't qualified to do anything else in aviation with that little of time.More like they're flying S340s for CRJ FO rates. Their FO rates shame ours.
Flying 50 seaters for more than any 70-90 seat pilot makes, to start.Yeah - so what are you doing to improve these injustices?
So what's the solution? 70-90 seaters being flown for 50 seat rates or less?Mike Boyd has been saying the 50 seat RJ has been dead for years.
No matter what the pilot pay rate is, the airlines don't need them nearly as much any more.So what's the solution? 70-90 seaters being flown for 50 seat rates or less?