Comair now 600/100

Schinpop said:
So, if I'm a low time pilot who just happens to have 100 multi, what's the worst that could happen if I went to Comair? They are going to train me (I still haven't seen any cost associated with the training), during which I will get more hours. If Comair "downsizes", I walk away with more hours and a bit of experience that I would not get instructing at the local flight school. If not, they have pretty good pay, and I'm flying a CRJ.

Seems a bit too good to be true.
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Welcome to Jetcareers....do some reading around, in the Hot Topics section as Bob stated and in the schools forums and see some opinions on what you've stated. I won't laugh too hard right now, as it seems you're new, but it will help you in the long run to edumicate yourself on some of what you wrote.

Once again, welcome and hope this is taken as informative and not too harsh.:)
 
Schinpop said:
So, if I'm a low time pilot who just happens to have 100 multi, what's the worst that could happen if I went to Comair? They are going to train me (I still haven't seen any cost associated with the training), during which I will get more hours. If Comair "downsizes", I walk away with more hours and a bit of experience that I would not get instructing at the local flight school. If not, they have pretty good pay, and I'm flying a CRJ.

Seems a bit too good to be true.
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Welcome! You may have a bit of SJS. Not trying to be harsh, but look around as txpilot said and do a search on 'SJS' :)
 
bike21 said:
Welcome! You may have a bit of SJS.
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Amazing how you can come to that conclusion from one post.

I love it how people come on here for current advice and info, but all these regulars tell them to search for it. Maybe they want to discuss it....it is a message board isn't it? Maybe we should all just stop posting and read what has been written in the past from now on.
 
Amazing how you can come to that conclusion from one post.
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Here's the #1 symptom for SJS:

If not, they have pretty good pay, and I'm flying a CRJ.
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Now as for the "downside" spoken of, ask someone who's been through MAPD with 350TT and 300ME what happens if you either a) want to go somewhere else (like another regional) or b) get "downsized." Answer: You're stuck. You might have some CRJ time, but your TT might not be enough to get that other job. That's the situation my friend found himself in and almost quit flying b/c of it.
 
I dont see a problem in asking what upgrade times are. Yeah it could change, but If its 2 years thats a big difference in an airline that is at 7 years, so its still a valid question. If you are lucky enough to be hired with 600TT somewhere that is a quality place like comair, take it. Worse case scenario you get furloughed and you can maybe get a pref hire somewhere else.
 
Problem is today's Pinnacle could be tomorrow's Eagle. When I got hired here, guys were off reserve in a month or so if they even sat reserve. Guys were upgrading left and right. That's all come to a screeching halt so fast it burned rubber off the tires. Back in March, we were running an upgrade class a month. I think we've had one in the past 4 months, and that was due to CAs going to CAL, SWA, FedEx, etc.
 
I'm interested in seeing the fine print, but as long as it doesn't involve me plunking down any cash for an RJ transition program, I'll absolutely put in a resume with them when I hit 600 hrs. And 400 hrs later, I'll absolutely be putting in my resume at SkyWest.

FWIW, a friend of mine at SKYW was just awarded CRJ CA in SLC with an Oct 2004 DOH.
 
I am aware. But tommorrows eagle can still be eagle. I think its a fair question is all, and we shouldnt jump on someone because they asked, just with the disclaimer that its subject to change.
 
Kingairer said:
I am aware. But tommorrows eagle can still be eagle. I think its a fair question is all, and we shouldnt jump on someone because they asked, just with the disclaimer that its subject to change.
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Oh, I agree. I just get tired of the guys that blame other people b/c they were misled by advertising and recruiters and didn't do any research. "Huh? The guy behind the desk at the school said upgrade time was 18 months!"
 
FLpilot said:
Amazing how you can come to that conclusion from one post.

I love it how people come on here for current advice and info, but all these regulars tell them to search for it. Maybe they want to discuss it....it is a message board isn't it? Maybe we should all just stop posting and read what has been written in the past from now on.
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Thanks, but it wasn't a conclusion :) I said may have have the symptoms of...

Anyhoo...I do see your point in not pointing everyone to endless searching, however it is easier at times for folks to read up on the basics first.
 
FLpilot said:
I love it how people come on here for current advice and info, but all these regulars tell them to search for it. Maybe they want to discuss it....it is a message board isn't it? Maybe we should all just stop posting and read what has been written in the past from now on.
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That was not the point of my post. I understand what you are saying and respect it, but at the same time there are only so many times per week we can address PFT/PFJ/upgrade times. From my understanding of the program, they are wanting to have people go through some type of RJ course (and I doubt a bankrupt airline will do it out of the goodness of their heart), which has been addressed numerous times here, and the poster him/herself posted "...They are going to train me (I still haven't seen any cost associated with the training), during which I will get more hours..." This is, in most normal people's definitions, PFT.:insane:

Now, once he/she has read some on PFT, or upgrade times as the original poster was wanting to know, then by all means debate away.:)

Just my $0.02 on this. Like I said in my original post, welcome to JC and we look forward to helping you in deciding what is best for you.

JH, you wannabe...:pirate: :)
 
jtrain609 said:
I hope my company gets some RJ's...
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Well the market is going to be flooded real soon with lots of 100 models. So financial institutions will figure that they're not making money with the planes in the desert. So they'll lower their cost or lease rates to make their CASM low enough to (maybe) make them attractive to cargo companies.

Donning flame suit...
 
txpilot said:
That was not the point of my post. I understand what you are saying and respect it, but at the same time there are only so many times per week we can address PFT/PFJ/upgrade times. From my understanding of the program, they are wanting to have people go through some type of RJ course (and I doubt a bankrupt airline will do it out of the goodness of their heart), which has been addressed numerous times here, and the poster him/herself posted "...They are going to train me (I still haven't seen any cost associated with the training), during which I will get more hours..." This is, in most normal people's definitions, PFT.:insane:
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I'm not exactly new, I just don't post much. I've read the PFT stuff, and I don't see the connection. From what I've read about this situation, you get hired, they train you (still have not seen any cost for this), and then you get paid for flying (or sitting reserve). Is this any different than any other regional?

Great Lakes mins are 750/50. There's a training contract. Is that PFT?

As for SJS, if I have a choice between flying a B1900 or a CJR, I'd choose the CRJ for the simple fact that you get paid more.
 
Schinpop said:
Great Lakes mins are 750/50. There's a training contract. Is that PFT?

As for SJS, if I have a choice between flying a B1900 or a CJR, I'd choose the CRJ for the simple fact that you get paid more.
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A lot of that depends on the company you fly for. With Comair going into the whole Mesaba-ish bankruptcy, I'd look for those wages to come down. Management is already doing the legal song and dance to get the contracts tossed, and the courts have TWO airlines worth of precedence in the last year to fall back on.

Great Lakes mins are so low b/c they pay less than some flight schools. I woulda taken a HUGE paycut going from CFI to Lakes FO. I imagine if Lakes ever got CRJs, they'd pay more, but not by much. The CRJ should pay more since it has over twice the amount of seats as a B1900...
 
Schinpop said:
I'm not exactly new, I just don't post much. I've read the PFT stuff, and I don't see the connection. From what I've read about this situation, you get hired, they train you (still have not seen any cost for this), and then you get paid for flying (or sitting reserve). Is this any different than any other regional?
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As far as I know, they will be charging for this. No, they haven't come out with prices, but as I said before, I doubt a bankrupt carrier is going to give you extra training for free. So, if they charge for this RJ class, guess what you are paying for training (hence the PFT). The scheme I'm predicting they'll do is mimick Mesa, ATP, and all the others that are doing RJ classes, and they will charge for the pleasure of doing an RJ class, just to have them hire you for 200 hours less than everybody else. It's the airlines trying to get in on the profits the flight schools are making. And, it's heading back to you must pay for training, as they have done in the past (quite a few commuters did about a decade ago).

Now, if they do it for free, go for it...more power to ya.

Also, a training contract is not PFT...you don't pay any money unless you do not honor your end of the contract. It's crappy, but I can see where the companies would need this in position...I've read in some other threads people saying they'd get hired and leave as soon as they had mins for another airline (300-400 hours or so, which is less than 6 months for most airlines).

Glad to see you've been around here and you're now participating in the discussions.
 
"Kellwolf, you're crazy. These bridge programs won't become a requirement to get to the regionals! They'll always hire 1000 CFIs, too!"

How many times have I been told that? The more I see airlines accepting reduced mins people from these bridge programs, the more I think they'll become the norm in the future, driving the price of becoming an airline pilot up thousands of dollars more.....
 
I don't think they will charge for this. They will probably just add a few days to their normal training. If they cannot get enough people with higher time to apply, having people fork over money to work there, even if they have lower time will probably not work.
 
I honestly don't see them making guys PFT. How can they, with lowered mins everywhere else? I think we are reading into this too much and see the advanced RJ training as a marketing ploy as opposed to them simply labeling it to match other RJ programs at big flight schools.

$20 says they don't start PFT. Not in today's market.
 
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