NJA_Capt
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Sorry Kristie,
There are pictures out that have showed the trees where it did hit.
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There are pictures out that have showed the trees where it did hit.
SpiraMirabilis
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That is true, but they'd be opinions based on ignorance of the situation. The fact that they were borne out in this situation doesn't change that.
BobDDuck
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He wasn't directly talking about your attitude about what happened. Yeah, even me (one of those RJ pilots that was with holding judgment) was pretty certain I knew *what* happened the first time I saw crash footage. Heck I had a pretty good idea that they went off the wrong runway as soon as I heard they crashed less then a mile from the runway. It was probable they ran out of pavement but they could have hit a microburst or had a double engine failure or the hand of god reached out and smacked them down or lost all three hydrolic systems or ran over a big strip of velcro... what ever, you get the point. Sure the short runway was perhaps the most logical answer but a competent (and yes I am calling you out on this) pilot will reserve their judgment until they have official facts. You (and a bunch of other people in the world) voiced your opinions as fact and that is what is getting you in trouble. Going into an interview and answering those HR questions with the attitude you displayed here is what Kellwolf was talking about.
My .02 (not fact) anyways.
For crissake man, you just had an Air Force Crash Investigator tell you never to assume anything.
You've had professional pilots tell you the exact same thing.
Do NOT show up to a ground school with that attitude or you'll have a very short career.
Do not assume anything. The plane may have taken off on a runway inconsistent with the performance specs for the situation. It's all about "why". The causal factors. What took place between arriving for the rotation and advancing throttles for takeoff.
buffalopilot
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there are pictures to show that it hit the trees, i heard about the wrong runway etc. I was not making up things before i said them as you all thought i was
Step out of the thread for about six hours before this becomes "Crash Investigation 101 for Buffalo Pilot" and less about the issue at hand.
Take a break from it or it'll be done for you.
buffalopilot
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I dont understand why you all get so touchy when someone voices an opinion on a matter which doesnt agree with yours, turns out to be right, and then you tell me to step out of the forum. This is America and there is no reason I cant voice an opinion on the subject, no matter what some of you think about it. It is the people who dont want to listen to opinions who have the issue here. Not me.
Yes this is America, this is also a very serious topic as well and, as webmaster, you're taking a short break from the thread so this doesn't become a flame war. If you can find the section of the constitution where it says I don't have the authority to do this, please forward it to me and I'll cheerfully send you a cashable check for $500 USD.
Come back to the thread about 7pm EDT.
Come back to the thread about 7pm EDT.
#1 True, but do you KNOW how, why, when, from what direction?
#2 Heard about....Big key heard about......
I seem to recall another JC member that had similar ideas and thoughts, Pilot 754. Ask him how his interview went when he opened his mouth and spouted off about what he "Knew" was right.
ComplexHiAv8r
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ComplexHiAv8r
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The United States Constitution ratified by the Constitutional Convention in PHL.
Tryin' to cost a brotha money... That ain't right!
LOL, I would of used it at NJC for more booze!!!
GreenDayPilot
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Sorry, I don't mean to get people worked up... but WHY is it wrong to assume things like buffalo pilot?? I mean, I can understand hating the news for doing it to a bunch of ignorant people out there, but we're in an aviation forum where most of us (of course some more than others) have sooome knowledge of aviation.
I just don't understand WHY it's wrong to assume things? If I ASSUMED that hey took the wrong runway and I was wrong about it, what harm would come out of that?
Again, I don't mean to get people worked up on this, but I'm very curious as to why people get annoyed and pissed when others (like BuffaloPilot) do it...
I just don't understand WHY it's wrong to assume things? If I ASSUMED that hey took the wrong runway and I was wrong about it, what harm would come out of that?
Again, I don't mean to get people worked up on this, but I'm very curious as to why people get annoyed and pissed when others (like BuffaloPilot) do it...
SpiraMirabilis
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This is my opinion: It is not wrong to have these thoughts in the back of your mind, but recall Lauren the news reporter who came to JC last night to discuss this incident with 'experts'?
If we start just blowing stuff out of our butts without knowledge of the situation who's going to take what you think at the time as gospel? Isn't this what we were criticisng the news manufacturers (CNN, FOX) for doing?
GreenDayPilot
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I got that part, but it still doesn't answer my question. What's the worst that can happen?
"Ah ha! The CRJ took the wrong runway, didn't have enough distance and crashed"
Later... (JUST AN EXAMPLE) "You know what? I was wrong, the reason the CRJ crashed was...."
That's the end of it, no harm done. So what's the problem w/assuming the causes of an airplane accident?
GreenDayPilot
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Yeah, but I'm not referring to the news. In fact, I clearly said it it in my previous post. I'm referring to us members of this forum discussing it. We all know that they're just assumptions, so why would you bash on someone for assuming something... why go as far as to say something like "how do you know?!?!? what makes you an expert?!?! huh?? huh????"
GreenDayPilot
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buffalopilot
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figuring out why a plane crashed is kind of like medicine. You go into the room with a differential diagnosis (many reasons why they have this problem) and then you narrow it down based on signs and symptoms and tests. Is it wrong for a doc to have a few guesses initially with out all the tests. No! I work in medicine, I do it every day. There is no difference.
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