Comair 5191: Sole Survivor tonight 1/8 on CNN

Having lost a couple of friends in the crash, I'm curious what he has to say. I wish Ray Larson, the Commonwealth Attorney, would have prosecuted Polehinke for reckless homicide.
 
surreal1221 said:
So many lessons have been learned due to this accident.

It'd be wise if we learned from them rather than demand additional witch hunts for the mere sake of personal gratification.

We are all human.
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And if we don't witch hunt people we might learn even more from the people involved...
 
Hopeful Pilot said:
And if we don't witch hunt people we might learn even more from the people involved...
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Now we have just uncovered the basic foundation of a just culture.

Carry on.
 
I dunno.....I have made some dumb mistakes in my time, that luckily didn't end like this, and would have only meant my early grave. But to be the guy at the controls, who made the mistake that caused that many deaths, and to live to think about it? That isn't a fate I would wish on my worst enemy. Blatant incompetence, confusion, low SA, whatever the cause, the result is that the guy has to live with that mistake probably playing over and over in his mind every day for the rest of his life. How horrible, not to say that being his passenger wasn't more horrible......but I feel for the guy

edit: wiki says brain damage caused him to not remember the accident......so I guess he doesn't have to live with the memories after all, at least if that is accurate and an honest statement from the guy....

And for the record, I agree that is complete BS that they tried to blame the airport and the tower staff for the mishap.
 
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Did not think he would have been on. He certainly came to mind but figured since he was partly responsible for the deaths of everyone else I figured it would just be too much for him. Set it on the DVR.
 
Hopeful Pilot said:
And if we don't witch hunt people we might learn even more from the people involved...
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No witch hunts. Just apply the law equally and fairly. If a poor school bus driver had ignored multiple traffic signs and policies and killed a bus full of kids, there would have been a prosecution.

In my mind, very few fatal crashes are the result of reckless behavior. When the threshold reaches recklessness, we have reached the limitations of just culture.
 
dasleben said:
That would set a precedent you simply would not want.
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You are probably right, my objectivity is compromised. That said, we are a nation of laws. I believe that the crew was reckless and the law has something to say in these matters.
 
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Pilot Fighter said:
No witch hunts. Just apply the law equally and fairly. If a poor school bus driver had ignored multiple traffic signs and policies and killed a bus full of kids, there would have been a prosecution.

In my mind, very few fatal crashes are the result of reckless behavior. When the threshold reaches recklessness, we have reached the limitations of just culture.
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This was what I was trying to say but I made it seem like no one should be held accountable, I believe in every crash there is a very important lesson to be learned from it.
 
were they reckless, or did they just have "bad SA"? As the saying goes, bad SA being worse than knowing you have no SA. I've done my time in both of those camps, and would much rather be in the no SA category in hindsight.......at least if you can't have good SA at the time :)
 
A better sense for the deep guilt one can feel for not catching something can be found in the book about the EMB-120 accident in Georgia, and the parts that focus on the A&P that examined the prop. He wasn't even to blame in the sense that his equipment wasn't capable of finding the discrepancy, but it didn't worsen the guilt any for him.
 
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were they reckless, or did they just have "bad SA"? As the saying goes, bad SA being worse than knowing you have no SA. I've done my time in both of those camps, and would much rather be in the no SA category in hindsight.......at least if you can't have good SA at the time :)
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Bad situational awareness explains why or how you failed to observe something. I think that bad situational awareness can reach the threshold of recklessness. In the bus driver example, if the bus driver becomes so concerned about the engine warning light that he ignores multiple road signs and eventually ends up going the wrong way on the Interstate and kills all of his passengers, he has exhibited bad SA....and recklessness. If we want to play semantic games, I guess we can all agree that bus drivers and pilots can never be reckless, only subject to varying degrees of situational awareness.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Bad situational awareness explains why or how you failed to observe something. I think that bad situational awareness can reach the threshold of recklessness. In the bus driver example, if the bus driver becomes so concerned about the engine warning light that he ignores multiple road signs and eventually ends up going the wrong way on the Interstate and kills all of his passengers, he has exhibited bad SA....and recklessness. If we want to play semantic games, I guess we can all agree that bus drivers and pilots can never be reckless, only subject to varying degrees of situational awareness.
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Good example I can't remember exactly what flight this was but a pilot had received serval warning lights and in attempt to fix them neglected his fuel level and ran out of fuel, that is bad situational awareness.

Found it, it was United airlines flight 173 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173
 
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