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It's not "my" just culture. I've been through a lot of safety training, and I know a great deal about contemporary safety philosophy, but I certainly didn't invent the concepts. I support these views, and see it as a moral imperative to get guys like you to come into the 21st century. People smarter than you have developed this way of looking at human error. Chances are the company you fly for has an ASAP program, and has a just culture posture. Why? Because that's how Safety is done these days. It's safer than the traditional "punish and blame" method.




Copied below are the definitions of error, at risk, and reckless behavior. Notice that reckless requires the intent to do something dangerous. Sure, the legal definition is behind the times. Big surprise. But no one in a safety position will subscribe to such antiquated ways of thinking about human error and risk.

Human error:
Humans are not perfect, so any system we create should expect errors to occur and account for them as a normal part of the process. A slip, a lapse, a mistake can happen to the best of us, so human error, rather than being a punishable action, becomes an opportunity to learn and to improve our systems. Any system that is one failure away from harm, be it human error or equipment failure, is vulnerable.


At-risk behavior:
Sometimes people get complacent and start to drift away from the rules (like driving a few MPH over the speed limit, for example); they begin to engage in at-risk behavior, placing themselves and others at risk. They could be trying to accomplish more than they normally could, or they could be telling themselves that “it can’t happen to me.” Simply put, they do not perceive the risk, or have temporarily forgotten it. In this case coaching and education are the answer, a reminder of the risks that may have been forgotten or mistakenly justified.


Reckless behavior:
In very rare occasions, though, people engage in reckless behavior, choosing knowingly to place themselves or others in harm’s way. They see the risk, and they understand the harm that can be done. They simply choose to place their own self-interest above the rest of the system. The individual(s) responsible for these choices obviously need to be subject to disciplinary action.
 
It's not "my" just culture. I've been through a lot of safety training, and I know a great deal about contemporary safety philosophy, but I certainly didn't invent the concepts. I support these views, and see it as a moral imperative to get guys like you to come into the 21st century. People smarter than you have developed this way of looking at human error. Chances are the company you fly for has an ASAP program, and has a just culture posture. Why? Because that's how Safety is done these days. It's safer than the traditional "punish and blame"
You seem to be under the impression that I reject just culture and the promotion of a culture of safety. I admit that I have given little evidence of my progressive views towards safety.

Here is where I walk off the dance floor. I believe that pilots can be reckless and are not immune to the professional, civil, and criminal consequences. I have agreed that even in these rare cases of recklessness, something can be learned of value. Early in the thread I posted Kentucky's definition of reckless, so I am not sure why you posted irrelevant definitions.

In the last few years, I have flown in an incubator for bad outcomes. Imagine crews with stark differences in experience, age, experience, and skill. Imagine multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, multi-national crews. Imagine different aviation backgrounds, military, commercial, and private. Even worse, imagine the potential safety issues when you are immune from regulatory authority. Can it get any worse? The philosophy, strategy, mindset, and attitudes that you and Seggy have described have kept me out of a smoking hole. Can there be a stronger endorsement?

If you want to discuss whether laws that punish individuals that acted without intent or malice are bad laws, I'm game. That would be an interesting conversation. Discussing whether the actions of the 5191 crew were reckless under Kentucky law, another interesting conversation. If you think that I'm a Neanderthal that needs to be dragged into the 21st century, fine. I respect your passion for safety.

This will be my last post about this accident.
 
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