TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Well, if you IAD'ers weren't so quick to run people out of town... maybe you'd get a real pilot now
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Well, if you IAD'ers weren't so quick to run people out of town... maybe you'd get a real pilot now
SIUav8er
Narcosis
I thought the Chief pilot was required to be a Captain (for at least 3 years) on at least one aircraft type in the fleet?
jynxyjoe
Queso King
We had an FO that was a chief pilot at this company, he may have been downgraded a couple times though, not sure. I thought CP of a 121 gig was just a management position.
mokulele
Well-Known Member
I was told the DTW asst chief was formerly a checkairman at 9E.
The director of flying also voluntarily took one of the CA displacements to FO last year, if I recall correctly.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Yeah, DTW's ACP a former CA, which is why I pointed out the fact he left and came back. The Director of Flying is junior to ME. Nothing "voluntary" about the displacement. He doesn't have the seniority to hold a CA slot.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
Yet he still flies revenue flights as a CA... I have no problem with the guy personally but after the "dirty 30" displacement it's salt in the wounds for the pilots who work under his authority.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Wait. What? That's gotta be a tailor made, package wrapped grievance. If he's flying revenue flights statused as an FO, how has that NOT been grieved yet? That means we either need to upgrade more guys or cancel the flight. If I had been displaced, I'd be pacing the halls at corporate wanting to know why we've got an FO acting as a CA when we've got guys that are senior displaced as FOs that can't do the same.....
higney85
Property of Scheduling
But wait... There's more. The CA on the original flight was bought off so he could fly. I have proof too...
OldTownPilot
Well-Known Member
Would he even in the FAA eyes be qualified to fly as a CA? I know he'd be typed, but as far as the training and currency goes. You could be talking fed violation there.
blee256
Well-Known Member
Are we talking about EF, our D of Flying? I didnt think he was a line pilot and hence his title was Director of Flying, instead of Chief Pilot......am I missing something here?
EF was my sim instructor back in 2007 when I started. I'm not sure if he was a professional sim instructor or line pilot....but im guessing sim instructor.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Pro sim instructor. He was put on the seniority list when he moved over to the Director position. He's on the seniority list NOW, but it's as an FO. I think he's even a -900 FO. As for the training stuff, that's a valid point.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
EF is flying as a CA right now, even though he can't hold it.... what sayeth the union???
sherpa
Well-Known Member
RIP Joe Z
higney85
Property of Scheduling
After the 4-letter words? Well the issue here is section 1.B (scope) says that the flying must be done by seniority list pilots, but not pilots that must hold the seniority ON THE LIST to fly in a particular position. I don't think anyone could have envisioned this situation as it exists now. Sim instructors can become line pilots, but they start at the bottom as an FO- in this situation we had a "Street CA". Then a mgmt position of "Director of Flying" was created because said pilot did not meet the requirements to be a Chief Pilot- not sure why this guy was on this track but good for him. Then we had a displacement (the "Dirty Thirty" as it's called), which made his seniority level only be able to hold ATL FO. After all this we have a Director of Flying who is an ATL -900 FO, flying as a MEM -200 CA, and signing papers as "CA" in a mgmt position. I say good for him, but the situation does little for him in getting respect from the pilots who work "under" him. The union is well aware of the issue but it's another loophole...
And since I know the mgmt guys look at this- It's not personal, but I am sure I will hear about it, you have my number.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Shame the other 29 guys that got displaced don't get the same treatment from scheduling. It's also a good thing I'm not right seat qualified anymore, otherwise they'd be using that loophole to toss reserve CAs in the right seat to cover the staffing issues. They're already doing it the reverse way getting EF to sit in the left seat. I've seen at least THREE different pairings lately with his name in the CA slot. If you're got your CP flying the line THAT much......you are NOT overstaffed.
meyers9163
Well-Known Member
It sounds like he's a MGT pilot no? Seems to be a normal thing for those whom will step up and take on more responsibility..... They get one small benefit of gaining TPIC time for not being able to fly and thus being stuck in a SIM.... I do not see any real problem with it as it seems to be what happens across the board???
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Um.....we need to upgrade guys, but as long as management can step in and fill shoes they technically aren't qualified to fill, there's guys senior to them that can't upgrade. If he was the last choice, then the flight should have canceled. As long as 9E can keep tossing management FOs into a CA seat, they'll steer clear of hiring and upgrading for as long as possible. It's a job security issue.
meyers9163
Well-Known Member
Hmm... But are fly management pilots that do items such as PT/PCs and sim sessions? I guess I know at my company, or so I thought, those whom are sim instructors are all Captain Qualified and thus it is sort of an incentive for offering to take that role on.... And thus you also are needed to do some flying from time to time as part of your salary which may be in either seat.... Although I am pretty sure everyone in the training department now at PSA are all able to hold Captain.... Perhaps others can comment on how their airlines operate about this very issue.....