Colgan guys that didnt get paid this morning

no one in IAD got paid yet, including myself...not sure what they expect us first year fo's to do. They said they are trying to resolve it today electronically.
 
Questions:

a. Did they admit the error?
b. Immediately rectify it?

Here's an angle. If a lot of you guys bounced checks or rent payments, that's telling me that you don't have money in your strike fund.

Now if you don't have money in your strike fund, all the talk about wanting a better contract and willing to go the distance to do what it takes to get it and you don't have one, or at least a little savings for inevitabilities, it's all just talk.

Something to think about!

How bad do you want an equitable contract?

What have you done to preserve yourself financially when and if the time comes to withdraw service?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Questions:

a. Did they admit the error?
b. Immediately rectify it?

Here's an angle. If a lot of you guys bounced checks or rent payments, that's telling me that you don't have money in your strike fund.

Now if you don't have money in your strike fund, all the talk about wanting a better contract and willing to go the distance to do what it takes to get it and you don't have one, or at least a little savings for inevitabilities, it's all just talk.

Something to think about!

How bad do you want an equitable contract?

What have you done to preserve yourself financially when and if the time comes to withdraw service?
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Read this twice.
 
Doug Taylor said:
If a lot of you guys bounced checks or rent payments, that's telling me that you don't have money in your strike fund.
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I checked a few minutes ago; still have not been paid.

My strike fund is separate from my regular checking account.

I wonder if this would qualify for a sickout?
 
Do your job and consider this a dry run for when things get heated in the end days of negotiations.

All that you guys are doing for the company negotiators is saying "the pilot group can't hold for more than a couple of days if we have a lockout".

I know it's an alternative way of looking at the situation, and yes I'd be pissed too if Delta didn't pay me for a few days. Hell, one day that check showed up 42% smaller thanks to my colleagues.
 
I'm sorry this happened to those of you employed there. For those based in New Jersey, please note that it's illegal to not pay you on the day stipulated in advance. My DH's CEO tried that trick in June during the strike and sent out an email announcing that there would be no pay on the expected date. We fired off his email to the NJ Department of Labor and Workforce Development. They all got paid on time. Of course, his high priced lawyers probably advised him to do that and he gave us two days notice--enough time for the state to inform him to cease and desist.

Here's the information: http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/wagehour/lawregs/selected_nj_state_labor_law.html#1142

http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/wagehour/complnt/filing_wage_claim.html
 
The two guys from the Jersey Shore? Might as well take JWOWW too!
 
For me, it's not that there is no strike fund, but rather, When I got hired at colgan, My (now) wife and I had separated accounts. A portion of my direct deposit goes to that old account to cover some stuff (cell, sat. radio, etc) We have since moved 5 times, and I really don't have a good way to "walk" into that bank. While our primary acts cover the big bills, It will def. be a pain for all those small separate things. If I had known in advance I could have moved money over to cover for a while, but seeing that Colgan elected to not do a "trial" week with the new DD company, we had no warning that we woudn't get paid, and I have no way to move money into the act. in time, without paying extravagant fee's. I'm def. not paying fee's on the promise that I would be reimbursed.

There Is a western union down the street at the wal mart near here. maybe they should go downtown and start mailing out money
 
I actually have three separate accounts with different banks (one with one and two with another). The problem is that my main account is for normal spending and is what I pay my bills out of. Luckily, I don't have any bills automatically coming out today but my crashpad rent is due today and I don't have my other checkbook. I really don't want to pull money out of there anyways. I know that with being a first year fo that any money I pull out of there, I probably will not be able to replace.
 
Ha Ha, simply the best! I see your point about a strike fund doug, but if you're making $500 a paycheck how much could you really save? Even if you are able to save a little bit, would it be enough to even last a month? I always had my wife's income to cover me when I was an FO at Colgan. But, I paid for all my commuting expenses, crashpad, parking, two grocery bills etc. Along with undergrad and flight school loans.

I'm really frugal, I buy most of my clothes at the salvation army, cook all my own food, drove a car that was 20 years old and worked on it myself. But at the end of the month there was seldom more than $20 leftover.

Strike funds work for guys at majors and maybe regional capt's. Otherwise, I don't really think it's doable with low income and big expenses like student loans.
 
Granted it was the late 1990's but I actually did just that! :)

BUT, there was also a different expectation of a standard of living. Dialup internet for $14/month, no cell phone, $7/month for a pager. Stolen cable. And I was living "high on the hog" for a regional pilot.

Strike funds are absolutely for anyone in a union.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Granted it was the late 1990's but I actually did just that! :)

BUT, there was also a different expectation of a standard of living. Dialup internet for $14/month, no cell phone, $7/month for a pager. Stolen cable. And I was living "high on the hog" for a regional pilot.

Strike funds are absolutely for anyone in a union.
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I agree with you, but for a lot of guys it's just not possible. Especially somewhere like Colgan. I was based in ROC out of training, 6 crewmembers at the base and no crash pads so I had to find some guys on craigslist and split the rent with them, $350. Car insurance (only $25, but you can't ride your bike to work in Rochester Ny in the winter) grocery's ($400 ish) airport parking and then about $300 worth of student loans. You end up taking home about $1000. If I couldn't pick up extra flying I was in the negative a lot of months. And my obligations were low compared to some guys.

I completely agree that you have to save in case of a strike, but I hate to demean someone that isn't able to. I really don't think most of these guys are living high on the hog.
 
The Juice said:
If your rent is due on the 1st of course it matters if your pay day is on the 1st or the 5th.''

And thanks Dad for the lesson on paying your bills on time. I am sure a first year FO at Colgan making $21 an hour is able to pay all his bills on time because that money is just flowing in:rolleyes:.
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So what your saying, is that you aren't responsible enough to save your rent money for 10 days? ie 5th and 20th paydays.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Granted it was the late 1990's but I actually did just that! :)

BUT, there was also a different expectation of a standard of living. Dialup internet for $14/month, no cell phone, $7/month for a pager. Stolen cable. And I was living "high on the hog" for a regional pilot.

Strike funds are absolutely for anyone in a union.
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Pager? lol. supplemental income?

I took on a second job while an FO just to get some cushion. I managed to save 3k which would last about 3 months. The dishwasher at the Applebees I worked at made more take home every 2 weeks than me. That was about as rough as it got for me. I was taking home 580 every two weeks with no per diem.
 
dhc2tacksby said:
So what your saying, is that you aren't responsible enough to save your rent money for 10 days? ie 5th and 20th paydays.
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most apartments I lived in gave you a grace period until the 5th. Not a usual occurence, but I may have used that grace period once or twice as an FO.
 
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