meritflyer
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Is it true that all the guys hired for the Q400 were moved into the Saab or B1900?
What's the status on those birds with the whole SAS issue?
What's the status on those birds with the whole SAS issue?
Colgan Folks..
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SmitteyB
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Absolutely not. The Q400 will go into service on time, on budget according to PNCL. Colgan and the parent company have made it clear that the SAS incidents are isolated and they think it's an SAS maintenance issue.
meritflyer
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If it was a SAS mx issue, how does Bombardier explain the multiple accidents that occured prior and with other carriers?
Snuggle
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I've been a little out of the loop, but I heard rumors of grounding the fleet. I was recently in Canada when I saw a brief clip on the news about grounding Q400 aircraft. I'm not too sure what's going on with that aircraft anymore. Although I'm sure bombardier will do their level best to blame it on anyone but themselves.
stuckingfk
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Have they announced the lines out of EWR with the Q400?
If so, what are they like?
If so, what are they like?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Not sure where you are getting your "multiple accidents" from. ASN (which is normally accurate) shows just 2 Q400 accidents/incidents prior to the 3 SAS crashes. Earlier this year a JuJu Air flight went off the end of the runway and subsequently sheared a gear and prop and a Horizon flight hit a bunch of birds going into Medford in 2003.
meritflyer
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Ok, I was just looking at hull damage.
I wonder if that list you cited includes ground returns as well. I know when USAirways started flying the E170s as MidTitanic in the first 365 days they had something like 250 gate returns or diversions. And that was with less then 10 aircraft flying. They didn't call it the E180 for nothing.
I wonder if that list you cited includes ground returns as well. I know when USAirways started flying the E170s as MidTitanic in the first 365 days they had something like 250 gate returns or diversions. And that was with less then 10 aircraft flying. They didn't call it the E180 for nothing.
H46Bubba
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It's all finger pointing. No operator wants to have their maintenace operations scrutinized and it's easy to place the blame on the manufacturer, just like it's easy to say it was pilot error whent there's a mishap. All aircraft are under warrenty for 5-10 years. Anything factory installed that malfuntions of breaks is covered and reimbursed by the manufacturer including parts and labor provided by the customer. Bombardier's downside is that they're like Airbus. Everything is divided up between other companies. Goodrich and Messier Dowty, manufactures the landing gear, Shorts manufactures the wings, control surfaces and thrust reverser componants, as well as the tail section and horizontal stabilator.
Firebird2XC
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There was a memo put out about a month or so ago. To paraphrase, it stated that 'current crewmembers completing Q400 training will be returned to the line in the current equipment until the aircraft arrives on property..."
Also, it stated that rather than paying you for your highest qualified rate, Q400 scales would not be paid out until sometime in the neighborhood of route trial completion.
That being said, I wouldn't put it past Pinnacle/Colgan to say the Q400 program was on time, but know it's delayed and fills gaps in the other fleet rosters until then.
I heard that the production line at Bombardier was behind schedule.. anyone know more about that?
SmitteyB
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That part is true- if you're a Saab CA they will train you on the Q then send you back to the Saab until you're needed.
However- I wouldn't think they would train a new HIRE two airframes with the intention of keeping only on one.
Seggy
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Smittey don't create something that isn't there. XJET has a great pilot group, don't go around posting that crap.
Our Q operation is going to be a CLUSTER to start out with. Without a solid commuter clause it is going to be fun to see guys trying to get to work!
OldTownPilot
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EWR is one of the worst places to commute into.
Dad had a 10pm departure one night. His CA got to EWR at 11pm after boarding the 2pm BOS-EWR flight.
Colgan better have a LOT of crews that live in base.
New airframe types are ALWAYS interesting for any airline.
I wouldn't be surprised to see XJT stay on several of the planned cities for a good period of time.
Dad had a 10pm departure one night. His CA got to EWR at 11pm after boarding the 2pm BOS-EWR flight.
Colgan better have a LOT of crews that live in base.
New airframe types are ALWAYS interesting for any airline.
I wouldn't be surprised to see XJT stay on several of the planned cities for a good period of time.
Berkut
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Yeah, ask RegionsAir how those Saab 340s are working out.
OldTownPilot
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Mariano
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Firebird2XC
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Doubletrain? I agree- unlikely. What I'm suggesting is that if the Q400 is behind schedule arriving, that in the interim newhires would just be shunted into other airframes, and that following newhires would later fill the Q400 slots.
Given that airframes were only due to arrive two per month, that's conceivable.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
HA! HA! HA! Ow.....my side.
Sorry, just the fact that Pinnacle management said it'll go into service on time and on budget sent me into hysterics. There's no way they can guarantee that. We don't even know what the lines for the -900 flying look like....and it starts in THREE WEEKS! Heck, we don't even know what cities other than ATL.
I forsee huge cluster with the -900 flying. To have the same management team launching the Q400 over at Colgan simultaneously is asking for trouble, IMO.
OldTownPilot
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Do you guys even have your first -900 on property?
Same goes for Colgans Q?
Same goes for Colgans Q?