All compared its beans, and should be much more what with the responsibility he was describing in his previous post. That was my point.
Unless you like regional wages at their current level.......
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All compared its beans, and should be much more what with the responsibility he was describing in his previous post. That was my point.
Unless you like regional wages at their current level.......
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
All compared its beans, and should be much more what with the responsibility he was describing in his previous post. That was my point.
Unless you like regional wages at their current level.......
Not at all,I'm simply pointing out the sentiment of "It's all crap" is, well, crap. Are wages on the low end horrible? Yes, of course. Are they horrible at the 10 year captain mark? Not at XJT. Are you going to get rich? No, you won't. Should we fight for more pay? Of course, we should ALWAYS fight for more pay. That money is going to go into the hands of management, or into the hands of hard working Americans who drive this country.
I'd rather give it to the harder workers than the MBA holders.
SKW will take care of the bolded part of your statement.....Omar will see to it.
I agree though, give it to the harder workers. I think one shouldn't have to wait until the 10 yr Capt mark in order to start seeing good wages, and I know you agree too.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
SKW will take care of the bolded part of your statement.....Omar will see to it.
I agree though, give it to the harder workers. I think one shouldn't have to wait until the 10 yr Capt mark in order to start seeing good wages, and I know you agree too.
Of course.
You going to Vegas? We bought our tickets last night.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Honestly I think all that is entirely in your head.
If wearing a blazer and pilot hat makes you FEEL more professional, then by all means go right ahead.
However, personally wearing a suit make ME feel like a poser dressed up in a costume, and therefore more UNcomfortable. That's just not "me", unless it's a special occasion that requires it.
Neither point of view has any bearing on how professional a pilot we are.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Ooh this thread is fun.
All I'm gonna say is that my year round dinner jacket adornment serves a few critical agendas...
- emergency coffee storage (Starbucks Via packets)
- storage for my shades & phone
- random dollar bill storage
- Starbucks receipt storage for the $2 cold drink after 2pm
- don't need to iron shirt as often
- hides stains
- repels cougars
So there. Hats are lame too
All I'm gonna say is that my year round dinner jacket adornment serves a few critical agendas...
- emergency coffee storage (Starbucks Via packets)
- storage for my shades & phone
- random dollar bill storage
- Starbucks receipt storage for the $2 cold drink after 2pm
- don't need to iron shirt as often
- hides stains
- repels cougars
So there. Hats are lame too
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Air line pilots flew airplanes for nearly three quarters of century while wearing blazers and hats, and they did just fine. In fact, they made a bunch of money, got lots of time off, and were respected by their passengers. They didn't seem to have a problem with "functionality." Sure would be a shame to go back to the good old days.
Well done. :beer:
The next time you're launching off of the deck of the Hornet to bomb Tokyo, throw on a leather jacket. That's where it belongs. Air line pilots have always worn blazers and hats, since way back when Pan Am instituted them on the flying boats.
Think about this: when Captain Prater and Mr. Skiles went to talk to Congress to get that legislation approved that you wanted so badly, did they throw on a leather jacket, or did they put on their pressed blazer? Why do you think that was? Maybe, just maybe, it's true that people judge us a bit by how we dress.
And yet, thousands upon thousands of pilots wore them for decades, and they were respected professionals rather than being viewed as glorified bus drivers. I'm not sure why the new generation of pilots feels the need to throw out all of the traditions that made this profession what it once was, but it certainly isn't helping us to regain our professional image and to restore our chosen profession.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Testifying before congress falls under "special occasion that REQUIRES a buisness suit".
Fixed that for you.
I could care less if my pilot/lawyer/brain surgeon wears Armani or Carhartt. It simply doesn't register in my brain any more than their hair color.
I'll happily wear whatever uniform is required, and unlike many pilots I'll wear it like a professional. Many pilots at my company think because they don't have to wear the required uniform properly, but I always do simply because I take pride in how I look as well as how I do my job.
However if I have a choice between a stuffy, uncomfortable, not very warm blazer, vs a leather jacket, then I will choose the leather.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Air line pilots flew airplanes for nearly three quarters of century while wearing blazers and hats, and they did just fine. In fact, they made a bunch of money, got lots of time off, and were respected by their passengers. They didn't seem to have a problem with "functionality." Sure would be a shame to go back to the good old days.
The next time you're launching off of the deck of the Hornet to bomb Tokyo, throw on a leather jacket. That's where it belongs. Air line pilots have always worn blazers and hats, since way back when Pan Am instituted them on the flying boats.
Think about this: when Captain Prater and Mr. Skiles went to talk to Congress to get that legislation approved that you wanted so badly, did they throw on a leather jacket, or did they put on their pressed blazer? Why do you think that was? Maybe, just maybe, it's true that people judge us a bit by how we dress.
And yet, thousands upon thousands of pilots wore them for decades, and they were respected professionals rather than being viewed as glorified bus drivers. I'm not sure why the new generation of pilots feels the need to throw out all of the traditions that made this profession what it once was, but it certainly isn't helping us to regain our professional image and to restore our chosen profession.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
+1 for the leather! I think it looks great as part of an airline pilot uniform. I cant imagine a passenger thinking a nice leather jacket makes the crew look unprofessional. I think they look much more appropriate than many uniform blazers these days (delta being an exception!)
I have one of these I used to wear at my old job and hope to be able to wear again... wont be caught dead wearing it while flying a PA31 and loading boxes though
http://www.perroneapparel.com/store/proavboards.htm
Don't buy a perrone jacket. That's the 'official' company jacket where I work, and you can you get a far superior jacket made of the same materials with better workmanship for the same price from Pop's Leather.
I've done the side-by-side in the crew room. Pop's wins hands down, and you get it custom fit to your measurements.
www.popsleather.com
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Sure would be a shame to go back to the good old days.
The next time you're launching off of the deck of the Hornet to bomb Tokyo, throw on a leather jacket. That's where it belongs. Air line pilots have always worn blazers and hats, since way back when Pan Am instituted them on the flying boats.
Think about this: when Captain Prater and Mr. Skiles went to talk to Congress to get that legislation approved that you wanted so badly, did they throw on a leather jacket, or did they put on their pressed blazer? Why do you think that was? Maybe, just maybe, it's true that people judge us a bit by how we dress.
1) I am not a "flying boat" driver, and I'm not flying off to the tropics. Nor am I man of that era.
2) The leather jacket is company approved and heralds the modern day U.S. Air Force as well as the Army Air Corps of old. When you talk about tradition, you might consider that a great number of pilots carry traditions from other walks of life with them- and that the public likes that.
3) When Captain Prater and Mr. Skiles went to Washinton, they weren't freezing their arses off doing an o-dark-thirty preflight in Champagne, Illinois or Syracuse, New York. If I was lobbying congress, I'd probably just break out a suit. Yes, people judge us by how we dress. I dress to fly the line in extreme, real world conditions, not to give speeches and do handshake shots.
As a line pilot, however, I have to balance functionality and not getting pneumonia with how I "look to the public". And frankly, I think I look pretty damned snappy in my black calfskin jacket.
In the end, I think if pilots really focused on doing what they do well and providing calm, courteous customer service then I think we wouldn't have to worry so much if people preferred us in blazers or leather jackets or with or without hats.
I'm a pilot, not a damned dress up doll.
aloft
New Member
Without the hood, I think this one would look ok in uniform, and it's quite functional:
Carhartt Insulated Waterproof Breathable Jacket J175
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
And the next time you're flying an open cockpit biplane with a 1 in 2 chance of dying, then I'll say "go for it." But you're not. You're flying a jet airliner where pilots have a long tradition of wearing a blazer and hat, and that's what many passengers expect to see. Humor them.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Nah, I'm good. I'll continue to wear my nice leather jacket in accordance with our uniform standards.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
You say that like its a bad thing...
There were many nights I spent sleeping in the crew lounge while commuting to LGA... my rolled up uniform jacket was my pillow and my overcoat was my blanket. Since the jacket was rolled and not folded it wasn't creased or wrinkled, it was the ultimate in functionality and resourcefulness! I was quite happy to have a blazer & overcoat!
I look at pilots wearing the blazer or a leather jacket kind of like I look at flight attendants wearing heels or flats. Personally, I think a pair of heels look much nicer with a F/A uniform. However, spending an entire day in heels is simply not a kind thing to expect of anyone. So flats, while not quite as attractive, are still a nice-looking thing to wear. As long as the shoes (flats or heels) are kept in good repair and shined up, they look fine. It comes down to functionality and personal preference. I think the leather jacket can look nice, when worn with a modicum of self-respect. It can look trashy & sloppy when worn dirty, with shiny, wrinkled pants & ratty shoes. A blazer can look VERY sharp, but it, too, can look sloppy if it's wrinkled, unkempt, or worn with no respect.
Basically, wear your uniform within your company's guidelines, and (this is the most important part) wear it with pride in yourself. It doesn't matter how little you're paid, it doesn't matter how long you've been on duty, it doesn't even matter what size the uniform is, just wear it with self-respect.
I look at pilots wearing the blazer or a leather jacket kind of like I look at flight attendants wearing heels or flats. Personally, I think a pair of heels look much nicer with a F/A uniform. However, spending an entire day in heels is simply not a kind thing to expect of anyone. So flats, while not quite as attractive, are still a nice-looking thing to wear. As long as the shoes (flats or heels) are kept in good repair and shined up, they look fine. It comes down to functionality and personal preference. I think the leather jacket can look nice, when worn with a modicum of self-respect. It can look trashy & sloppy when worn dirty, with shiny, wrinkled pants & ratty shoes. A blazer can look VERY sharp, but it, too, can look sloppy if it's wrinkled, unkempt, or worn with no respect.
Basically, wear your uniform within your company's guidelines, and (this is the most important part) wear it with pride in yourself. It doesn't matter how little you're paid, it doesn't matter how long you've been on duty, it doesn't even matter what size the uniform is, just wear it with self-respect.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Agreed, exactly why I don't bring mine unless I know where I'm going is going to be insanely cold...and as I'm on reserve I never really know where I'm going, so I usually just freeze.
Another thing about the leather one is you can wear it on the overnight without standing out as either
a) a pervert
b) off duty airline pilot (tennis shoes that can also be used for running, jeans, and a wrinkled shirt you threw on over your undershirt)
c) all of the above
The leather jackets that most people wear you can easily take all insignia off and it looks pretty normal allowing you to now look like the Fonz instead of any of the other 3 choices.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Like someone else said, we're not flying Clippers for Pan Am, either. I don't see FAs dressed in Pan Am purser uniforms, either. There's just as much tradition in wearing a leather jacket thanks to the military as there is in a blazer and hat. I have a feeling if we surveyed 100 passengers in the MEM airport and asked them what they thought of a pilot in a blazer and a pilot in a leather jacket, we'd get 20 say the blazer was better, 20 say the leather jacket was better and 60 say "I don't care. Where's my next connection."